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Republican Party, Teabag Party and the Libertarian Party absolutely SUCK!

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Henry Hawk

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on July 06, 2011, 12:58:55 PM

Not "small" stretch at all.

So do you have something supporting "encouragement" of "free" abortions?

I believe most oppose late term abortions unless the mother's life is in danger, but please support the claim that is encouraged as well.

Most abortions are performed when it involves the removal of a non-viable clump of cells...not a baby. That's the difference between a logical and emotional argument.

Imagine if some of the tax payer money wasted on conservative supported abstinence only programs was poured into preventative education which has been proven to be effective. :think:




Seriously? planned parenthood alone is responsible for about 25% of the abortion in the U.S.....it is encouraged merely by having a place where it can be performed for free...it has become a "way out" rather than encouraging "responsibility"...

and those non-viable clump of cells have a heartbeat in them after 22 days of conception....

we can go on and on...........I have soften my stance somewhat....and I do have compassion for teens who get in trouble....I would love to see more attention on adoption as a means of handling this.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on July 06, 2011, 12:24:35 PM
Also, if you want to toss in cost to the taxpayer, why don't we examine the billions of dollars unwanted children cost?

Hell, for that matter, why don't we talk about the money that the children peoplewant cost me!
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: The Troll on July 06, 2011, 01:17:26 PM
  Henry, I wish you were smart enough to sit back and understand what you just wrote. :doh: :rolleyes:

  First of all it is a Republican thing to keep the war on drugs going.  They say it all of the time. :yes:  Your guys started and your guys keep it going.   :rolleyes:

  Second of all there are people of both sides that want to ban guns.  I for one who doesn't want it and it won't happen.  It is part of our Constitution. :4th3:  But your guys bring it up at every election cycle.  :yes:

  Third, due to the Hyde Amendment, the Federal government can't spend money for abortion.  Henry Hyde was the Republican Senator who wrote this bill.  I'll bet you didn't know that.   :rolleyes:  THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN'T SPEND MONEY FOR ABORTION.  PLAIN AND SMIPLE, HENERY.

  Forth if the Republicans during the George W. Bush term hadn't passed some laws doing away with the regulations on banking, lending, and the stock market there would have never been a Housing Bubble Burst.  It was the crooked Republicans in the banking and the stock market that caused it to happen.  Crooks. :rant:

  Fifth, just where do you get you have a right to decide wether a person who was born, God's fuck up, with the desire to love someone of the same sex to have a loving relationship with that person and be able to marry that person.  Henry you living in the dark ages.  You need to get you head out of the bible and your ass and enjoy the age of enlightenment.  Where do you get family values with a 54% divorce rate.  Some family values!  Did you know that the divorce rate was lower for Atheist than for Christians.  I wonder why?  Do you supose that we don't have our heads up our ass. :biggrin:  Just Goggle it up Henry.  You just got to wake up.   :biggrin:

Oh yes, I'm sorry.  I just got carried away with the rant.  :rant: :biggrin:

First the war on drugs IS a joke and a political one at that........if we really wanted to end it...we would blow the hell out of countries that produced it.

Second...most liberals are in favor of any law that prohibits guns...and WANT the Constitution changed....

Third...Planned Parenthood IS funded with Federal Tax dollars and there were over 300,000 abortions performed and paid for at these clinics...you just buy into the Hyde bullshit....

Fourth...Bush DID warn of some real trouble by fannie and freddie and it was ignored...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM

about 1:40 in this Barney Frank is telling us there is NO PROBLEM with fannie and freddie...and btw these guys was started by democrats and should have never been started in the first place....

fifth..........family values should not be a political issue...it should be an issue by ALL americans....what is wrong with preaching a little common sense pertaining to the family.  The Bible DOES and excellent job at telling us how we should lead our lives..try reading Proverbs......you don't have to believe in God, to respect some basic principals on moral values....nobody is saying to shove any religion down anybody's throat.....but for God's Sake how about some basic VALUES!!

How about a man and wife getting married and keeping a commitment to one another....
raising a family as a family...
working for a living...
honesty...
integrity...
decency...

Those are NOT just "religious" values....they are common sense values.

an yeah, there are some so-called Christians who have their head WAY up their asses!!! no lie there at all.... :razz: :no:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Sandy Eggo

Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 06, 2011, 01:34:14 PM
Seriously? planned parenthood alone is responsible for about 25% of the abortion in the U.S.....it is encouraged merely by having a place where it can be performed for free...it has become a "way out" rather than encouraging "responsibility"...

and those non-viable clump of cells have a heartbeat in them after 22 days of conception....

we can go on and on...........I have soften my stance somewhat....and I do have compassion for teens who get in trouble....I would love to see more attention on adoption as a means of handling this.


Who performs it for free?

http://m.plannedparenthood.org/mt/www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/abortion/in-clinic-abortion-procedures-4359.asp
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on July 06, 2011, 01:41:00 PM
Hell, for that matter, why don't we talk about the money that the children peoplewant cost me!
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I'm, not opposed to that either.....we have a lot of work to do....and gov needs to back away from most of  it.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on July 06, 2011, 01:55:49 PM

Who performs it for free?

http://m.plannedparenthood.org/mt/www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/abortion/in-clinic-abortion-procedures-4359.asp

they usually will find a way to pay for the minimal cost, to those who don't have a job....just google it.  My point is, these clinics recieve federal tax dollars to supply abortions for practically nothing to free in many cases.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Sandy Eggo

Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 06, 2011, 02:15:56 PM
they usually will find a way to pay for the minimal cost, to those who don't have a job....just google it.  My point is, these clinics recieve federal tax dollars to supply abortions for practically nothing to free in many cases.

They receive funding for the other women's health and reproductive services they provide, not abortions. If you can prove otherwise, then feel free. Regardless of how you'd like to believe, planned parenthood is not a clearing house for abortions. Just google it.

And my point is that even when you're provided proof to the contrary, you choose to hang on to your misguided belief.


Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

Anne

Quote from: me on July 06, 2011, 01:13:54 PM
Hum, maybe that's the one I was thinking of but I was thinking there was a similar incident in the woods behind the Edgewood apts and that's why they cut the woods down and built houses there.  I could be getting the two confused too it has been a few years.


I remember something about Edgewood, but I don't rememver any details except I thoght that boy was older. I just remember the one at the Oaks because of my grandson, I met the little girl and her parents once at a school function, and going to the trial.
"A discontented man will find no easy chair." Ben Franklin

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on July 06, 2011, 02:30:03 PM
They receive funding for the other women's health and reproductive services they provide, not abortions. If you can prove otherwise, then feel free. Regardless of how you'd like to believe, planned parenthood is not a clearing house for abortions. Just google it.

And my point is that even when you're provided proof to the contrary, you choose to hang on to your misguided belief.

I never claimed that planned parenthood is ONLY a clearling house for abortions....but Abortions IS, a fact, part of their agenda.  There is NOTHING mis-guided to my belief, because I did support it with fact.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Sandy Eggo

Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 06, 2011, 03:16:43 PM
I never claimed that planned parenthood is ONLY a clearling house for abortions....but Abortions IS, a fact, part of their agenda.  There is NOTHING mis-guided to my belief, because I did support it with fact.


O'rly? You didn't? Perhaps I misundertood your intent when you made the claim that the federal money provided for and used for services other than abortion is actually being used for free abortions. However, I don't think so. I missed the facts which prove that Planned Parenthood encourages abortions by providing them free. Care to provide them again? Fact, not opinion please. :smile:
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on July 06, 2011, 03:23:51 PM

O'rly? You didn't? Perhaps I misundertood your intent when you made the claim that the federal money provided for and used for services other than abortion is actually being used for free abortions. However, I don't think so. I missed the facts which prove that Planned Parenthood encourages abortions by providing them free. Care to provide them again? Fact, not opinion please. :smile:

Oh, they have a $300 fee in most places, but they have ways of waiving them to those who cannot afford the $300...they have many private organizations that pitch in and pick up the tab.....but even at $300 that still does not pay for the services alone....Tax $$$ is kicking in, you can bet on that.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Sandy Eggo

Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 06, 2011, 03:56:45 PM
Oh, they have a $300 fee in most places, but they have ways of waiving them to those who cannot afford the $300...they have many private organizations that pitch in and pick up the tab.....but even at $300 that still does not pay for the services alone....Tax $$$ is kicking in, you can bet on that.

Do you know the difference between fact and opinion?
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on July 06, 2011, 04:06:48 PM
Do you know the difference between fact and opinion?

tell me that I am wrong?...because I am NOT....I guess THAT is a fact.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Sandy Eggo

Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 06, 2011, 04:24:33 PM
tell me that I am wrong?...because I am NOT....I guess THAT is a fact.

A simple "no" would have made you look less silly. :razz: Your assertion so the burden of proof is on you. :wink:

Soooo, unless you have a factual source to support your claims, then we can all chalk it up to typical emotional BS. :smile:
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on July 06, 2011, 05:13:21 PM
A simple "no" would have made you look less silly. :razz: Your assertion so the burden of proof is on you. :wink:

Soooo, unless you have a factual source to support your claims, then we can all chalk it up to typical emotional BS. :smile:

if that is what you want that is fine.. :rolleyes: ..but YOU KNOW damn well I am right.... ;)
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW