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Republican Party, Teabag Party and the Libertarian Party absolutely SUCK!

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AbbyTC

Quote from: Palehorse on February 09, 2016, 06:11:44 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again; Trump is narcissistic blow-hard. If we are stupid enough as a nation to put this idiot in office, we are indeed doomed.  :yes:
(And such event will do nothing but prove that our government and its various offices are for sale to the highest bidder.)

:yes:
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it goes on. Robert Frost

Perhaps the butterfly is proof that you can go through a great deal of darkness yet become something beautiful.

Y

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 09, 2016, 02:17:33 PM
It is not nearly as scary as the amount of people that actually believe Hillary would be a good POTUS...........and the Bern isn't a lot better.......but he IS BETTER.

Hillary doesn't come across as gregarious as the slimy Harrumph(TM).  To a lot of folks she's not likable (I can take her or leave her personally)...BUT, she IS the most qualified candidate in the running for president - NONE of the others can hold a candle to her.

Bernie had some good ideas...BUT putting aside that I consider him unelectable, he wouldn't get any of his agenda enacted.  Bernie is an idea man, not the hands on, roll up your sleeves, and get things accomplished guy.

Besides, Bernie is too old.  IMHO, Hillary should nip this in the bud (and should have already done so) by offering Bernie the VP slot in her administration OR some cabinet position where he can do some good.  His age wouldn't matter in either of those scenarios and there would be no real disruption if something happened - unlike the Presidential slot.
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"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Anne

"A discontented man will find no easy chair." Ben Franklin

Palehorse

Quote from: Y on February 13, 2016, 11:08:09 PM
Hillary doesn't come across as gregarious as the slimy Harrumph(TM).  To a lot of folks she's not likable (I can take her or leave her personally)...BUT, she IS the most qualified candidate in the running for president - NONE of the others can hold a candle to her.

Bernie had some good ideas...BUT putting aside that I consider him unelectable, he wouldn't get any of his agenda enacted.  Bernie is an idea man, not the hands on, roll up your sleeves, and get things accomplished guy.

Besides, Bernie is too old.  IMHO, Hillary should nip this in the bud (and should have already done so) by offering Bernie the VP slot in her administration OR some cabinet position where he can do some good.  His age wouldn't matter in either of those scenarios and there would be no real disruption if something happened - unlike the Presidential slot.

Oh the irony!

Conservatives decry the lack of qualifications of the sitting POTUS and have from the get-go. (No matter how wrong they are). But when presented with a candidate that indeed holds a bevy of qualifications and experience to hold the office, suddenly a businessman with a less than stellar record within his chosen career, and a propensity for dishonesty and outright lying, (both apparently required skills to be a business leader), is an excellent candidate? A Canadian is more qualified? A blow-hard is more qualified? A political wimp is more qualified?  Hypocrites!

I agree with your synopsis of the situation Y, especially surrounding Bernie. He'd make an excellent VP or cabinet member for sure, but to be at the helm of this nation he is a bit long in the tooth. The stress level in that position would be a death sentence to him, and the last thing we need is a revolving door at the helm.

My personal opinion of Hillary holds no weight in my decision making process surrounding who would do best in serving the needs of this nation in the next term. My opinion is that Hillary is indeed the best candidate out there at this time. (I can hear the caterwauling now from the conservatives, Benghazi, blah-blah-blah. Show me one single candidate in this years crop that doesn't have baggage? One!)

My preference would be to rotate terms in the office, with each political party having its shot at the helm, however the GOP seems to have this penchant for backing blowhards and extremists for the candidacy, and I've had my fill of the party of no and its antics. Perhaps for a lifetime.

I also strongly believe that the office of POTUS should not be the only one that has term limits imposed upon it. Each and every single congressional position should be subjected to the same, and the possibility for the "lifetime terms" of these positions be terminated.

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Henry Hawk

Quote from: Palehorse on February 14, 2016, 09:56:14 AM
Conservatives decry the lack of qualifications of the sitting POTUS and have from the get-go.
I STILL stand by this!  I also agree, out of the people on the right to pick from.......Trump is by far the most qualified. imo.  I agree, Rubio and Cruz are reasonably similar as Obama was. I have no control over this. They shouldn't be running.  Gov Kasich is far more qualified than most, but probably will not last much longer.  I despise Jeb Bush. I think Carson is an amazing person with some strong qualifications, but isn't going to make it.  Too bad Christie couldn't have mustered up more support.

They way our screwed up system works, by the time Indiana gets to vote in the primary, it will more than likely already be decided who the nom is.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


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"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Palehorse

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 15, 2016, 04:29:36 PM
I STILL stand by this!  I also agree, out of the people on the right to pick from.......Trump is by far the most qualified. imo.  . . .

. . . :spooked: . . .
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Exterminator

During last night's town hall meeting, Trump was quoted as having said that he would repeal Obamacare and replace it and was asked specifically with what.  His answer...medical savings accounts...makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.  Since there is absolutely no mention of this on his website, can one of our resident neocons explain to the rest of us exactly how such an inane suggestion could ever work?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

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Y

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 15, 2016, 04:29:36 PM
Trump is by far the most qualified.

For village idiot!

You nitwits like him because he speaks your special kind of stupid.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

The Troll

Quote from: Exterminator on February 19, 2016, 08:51:01 AM
During last night's town hall meeting, Trump was quoted as having said that he would repeal Obamacare and replace it and was asked specifically with what.  His answer...medical savings accounts...makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.  Since there is absolutely no mention of this on his website, can one of our resident neocons explain to the rest of us exactly how such an inane suggestion could ever work?

  How much could a person making minimum wage put into a medical saving account.  Believe me when I say it is all --> :bs: :trustme:

The Troll



  What begins with "F" and ends with "K"?  Why it is the 401K retirement you now get from your employers.  It is the fucking your employers give you when you retire.  Just how much money can you save for your retirement out of you existing pay check?  Say you retire at 75 which most people will have to do.  You live to 90 in this modern medical days.  Just how much money will you have to have just to exist.  Yep, good old, what starts with "F" and ends with "K".    :wink: :smile:

Palehorse

Quote from: The Troll on February 19, 2016, 10:07:03 PM
 

  How much could a person making minimum wage put into a medical saving account.  Believe me when I say it is all --> :bs: :trustme:

Even those making a 50-80k salary will find it hard to maintain any kind of decent balance within these types of accounts. They currently go hand-in-hand with the high deductible health insurance plans, and those plans maintain a very high premium rate, (6-8k annually), and require a 4-6k deductible to be met before they will cover anything.

How that translates for the typical 50+ population is an issue, because you will pay every single penny for ANY kind of medical care until you reach your deductible out of pocket. And those deductibles are per covered person. (2 individuals covered means 8-12k out of pocket before coverage kicks in). And then it is typically only 80% coverage, with no 100% level existing. (Some plans do contain a 100% coverage level, but only after reaching a "max out of pocket level", typically 12k or more, and your deductibles do not count toward that in some plans).

These are the types of plans most global corporations moved to in anticipation of the ACA, and they continue to pound the American worker in the ass with them.  :mad:
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

The Troll

Quote from: Palehorse on February 20, 2016, 01:02:48 PM
Even those making a 50-80k salary will find it hard to maintain any kind of decent balance within these types of accounts. They currently go hand-in-hand with the high deductible health insurance plans, and those plans maintain a very high premium rate, (6-8k annually), and require a 4-6k deductible to be met before they will cover anything.

How that translates for the typical 50+ population is an issue, because you will pay every single penny for ANY kind of medical care until you reach your deductible out of pocket. And those deductibles are per covered person. (2 individuals covered means 8-12k out of pocket before coverage kicks in). And then it is typically only 80% coverage, with no 100% level existing. (Some plans do contain a 100% coverage level, but only after reaching a "max out of pocket level", typically 12k or more, and your deductibles do not count toward that in some plans).

These are the types of plans most global corporations moved to in anticipation of the ACA, and they continue to pound the American worker in the ass with them.  :mad:


   Plus all of the screwing the health plans give the workers.  The Republicans want to do away with Social Security, Medicare and Medicade.   Put Social Security into the stock market, Medicare into a health saving account and just doing away with Medicade.  What is so bad the Republican Sheeple can't see what the rich and the corporations want to do to them.  Please just say BRAIN DEAD! :mad: :rant:

Palehorse

I am flabbergasted by the fact the GOP has and continues to blame a "divided country" upon the POTUS by barraging the media and social networking sites with a years-long garage of propaganda stating as much. The sad part of it all is that despite their constant caterwauling of "a POTUS that refuses to work across the aisle", the man has done nothing but try to reach across the ever widening gap between the two parties the entire time. Ironically, the GOP's own actions validate their claims via their constant refusal to say anything but no. By their consistently holding the least of those among our society hostage to their personal, political ideals; no matter how skewed they are in the stark light of day.

Now they will say to no to the POTUS's selection to replace Scalia on the SCOTUS, and they're fooling themselves if they believe the voting citizens of this nation will not care one damned bit about it.

There is going to be a blood-letting come the next general election, and the GOP will be all but extinct come January 2017.  :mad:
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

The Troll



  How stupid and brain dead can a person be who has voted for George H. Bush and Danny Boy Quayle, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney (twice), John McCain and Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan.   :confused:

  Can you name anyone here on the Zone that is that stupid?  :haha:  :doh:

me

Quote from: Palehorse on February 23, 2016, 06:30:25 PM
I am flabbergasted by the fact the GOP has and continues to blame a "divided country" upon the POTUS by barraging the media and social networking sites with a years-long garage of propaganda stating as much. The sad part of it all is that despite their constant caterwauling of "a POTUS that refuses to work across the aisle", the man has done nothing but try to reach across the ever widening gap between the two parties the entire time. Ironically, the GOP's own actions validate their claims via their constant refusal to say anything but no. By their consistently holding the least of those among our society hostage to their personal, political ideals; no matter how skewed they are in the stark light of day.

Now they will say to no to the POTUS's selection to replace Scalia on the SCOTUS, and they're fooling themselves if they believe the voting citizens of this nation will not care one damned bit about it.

There is going to be a blood-letting come the next general election, and the GOP will be all but extinct come January 2017.  :mad:
Ya, his idea of working across the aisle is, "if it isn't what I want when it comes across my desk I'll veto it".  Reid just refused to bring anything they didn'tlike up for a vote to try to work out a compromise. So, in essense, what we have is a POTUS who does what he wants and there is no room for compromise. If he can't get congress to do what he wants he just goes the excutive order route whether it's legal or not. 
Trump 2020