Republican Party, Teabag Party and the Libertarian Party absolutely SUCK!

[Nighthawk]

  Ever since you came on the Zone I had figured for some kind of a nut and every time you write a post more or less proves I'm right.

  Do 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 ;year old girls get knocked upped.  Single girls who have religious nuts for parents who would throw out the girl or make her carry a baby she don't want.  I just don't know where you are coming from and you know damn well that the government don't pay for abortions.

  The Acorn tape was false from the start.  Set up by a Republican Asshole who ran out before the police came.  You didn't say that Acorn had called the police on the phony Pimp and his teenage whore.  Another forgotten item in a Teabagger's warped mind.

  I'm sure hope you don't run you nerdy business like you like to stick your pointy nose in some Else's business.  you are suppose to be a businessman, you should know what nonprofit means.  It means you take no profit, you put it back in the business.   Hell, years ago 3 friends and I bought an airplane.  We formed a nonprofit corporation.  Owning an airplane it isn't hard to put all of your money (profit) back in to the plane, hanger and insurance.  For the first couple of years, in my plumbing contractors business,  I took the profit and put it in a truck and tools.  You could say I ran a nonprofit business.

  Tell me one thing Pal, what you do if your daughter got knocked up by a HIV Positive crack addict.  Would put her through the agony of carrying that unwanted baby that came out brown or black and would you help her raise it, send it to school and college until she got back on her feet.  Come on Pal give me a answer.

  Your one of those people I call a check writer.  A person who writes checks with their mouth, their ass can't cash.   

Ok you racist asshole, what exactly is wrong with a brown or black baby? How do you know that I am not black or some other ethnicity?

And again you are completely wrong and making assumptions about me that are completely unfounded. As a matter of fact, if my daughter did get pregnant I would very much encourage her to carry the child to term and would indeed help raise my grandchild if need be. See, I'm not a selfish fuck like you and care very much for my family and will support them through thick and thin.

[Anne]

What would you do?

[Nighthawk]

Once upon a time I thought you may have been in possession of brain cells that you actually were capable of utilizing; but each time you begin spewing propaganda that is clearly nefarious at best, and outright lies in many cases, you erode any level of credibility that thought may have brought you.

In Indiana, about 22,000 Hoosiers rely on federal family planning and Medicaid funding for preventive care at Planned Parenthood health centers; such as Pap tests, breast exams, birth control and STD testing and treatment. 

Treatments and testing that they cannot obtain otherwise because they are unable to afford healthcare insurance through no fault of their own.

The rider regarding Planned Parenthood proposed in Congress would bar Planned Parenthood from receiving Medicaid and federal family planning dollars that pay for direct patient care.  Not a penny of the money goes toward abortion. This is mandated by federal law. 

A little personal initiative in researching the truth and obtaining the facts, instead of blindly parroting the propaganda of entities with hidden agendas, would serve you better. . .

I understand that no federal money is to be used for abortions but it can be argued that the federal funding to planned parenthood simply frees up their privately donated money to provide abortions. So, in a way federal aid DOES support abortions.

[Henry Hawk]

  Henry, Henry just where is your memory.  You don't remember the $4.55 a gallon gasoline George W.  had in California.

  How does Obama control the price of oil.  With the Republicans letting the 4 major oil companies buy out of they many we use to have and the billions of dollars we give the oil companies.  Also did you forget about OPEC.  The Arab oil cartell.

   Henry please tell us how you would end the two wars George W. caused?  Please tell us.  How would you handle the no fly zone in Libya. Huh.

  George W. couldn't get anything for 5 years while he was president?  You got to be kidding me.  He never turned down any bill the Republicans wanted.  Give me a break.  What a memory.    There is a disease or occurrences call the fog of war, since I know you haven't been to war.  It must be brain damage.   

  Unemployment is at 8%.  But you forgot again that we lost thousands of manufacturing factories here in America under your God, George W.  Damn I still think you out your mind voting for George W. twice. 

First of all, the uneployment rate is at 9.2%.....
Gas in CAL is $4.59...NOW

and you bitched about it being bush's fault then....

Iraq, we should have left already.....Thanks to Bush and the surge, they had an election....time to exit.

Afgahnistan....we should have left there when Bush was in office....

Libya, we missed our opportunty two months ago, when the rebels had quakdafi on the ropes....we should only be offering air attacks and NO boots on the ground....but, it sounds like that may be changing.

and we lost manf. jobs because of the word I am not going to use on here anymore, becuase I don't want to offend you but it starts with a U and ends with an N...(but I'm done, you kind of backed me in a corner on this one)...

and you bet your sweet arse, I would vote for George W ...AGAIN over the dufusass Obama, in a heartbeat......he may very well be the WORST POTUS in the history of this nation......he spent more than ALL of the POTUS' from Washington to REagan..  in two years!!!!....money we DO NOT HAVE!!!...But that is okay as long as he is a democrat....right?

[Palehorse]

I understand that no federal money is to be used for abortions but it can be argued that the federal funding to planned parenthood simply frees up their privately donated money to provide abortions. So, in a way federal aid DOES support abortions.

That is nothing more than spin and you know it! However, who the hell are "we" to tell any entity legally servicing women's health, and utilizing PRIVATE funding to do so, that it is right or wrong; and just how does this impact said entity's eligibility toward continued federal funding?  They do NOTHING illegal, and in fact follow the law to the letter.

The twisted societal view of the conservative/tea party/republican sector of this nation, continues to kick the least amongst us, and do so simply as a means toward validating a political position based upon religious belief; throwing the historical and fact based reasons for some of these social safety nets in the trash with no regard what so ever for the lessons learned!

As those who parented the "baby boomer" generation knew all too well, the days of back alley and basement butchery that "serviced" teen and unwanted pregnancies via the coat hanger, resulted in scores of deaths and physical maiming of this nations women each and every year. Those who became pregnant and chose not to pursue illegal means toward addressing it, were forced into lives that denied them the right of passage our teen years provide us; bringing scores of unwanted children, as well as societally shunned parents into the world, with little to no resources surrounding healthcare, parenting skills, or long term means of support. Result, drastically reduced life expectancy and severely depressed quality of life.

Those conditions are what drove the creation of Planned Parenthood, and what made federal funding of it imperative for decades.

Now, emotional propaganda and outright lies designed to drive emotional response, are being utilized to "herd" this nation backwards; forcing us to repeat these lessons and dooming exponentially more teens and women to the very same fate. ALL in the name of political posturing and rancor.

It's nothing more than bullshit, and that ANY American citizen accepts that line of crap is unbelievable to me. HOW MANY TIMES must this nation repeat its history before it retains the lessons that history brings? How many women dying over totally preventable medical conditions related to the reproductive system is acceptable in this day and age?

Removal of federal funding based upon the use of PRIVATE funds toward a 100% legal medical option is just plain stupid!!!! And I don't care if we are talking 1 or 25,000,000 of them annually!

[Nighthawk]

What is the big deal if the defund planned parenthood anyway??

They seem to be getting enough money from private donations to operate. They raked in 1.1 billion last year and only got 370 some-odd million from the feds so that funding shouldn't be needed.

As I stated before, the funding that was to go to planned parenthood would then go to help fund other women's health programs that would achieve the same things that everyone seems to think will go away. Prenatal care, cancer screenings, GYN exams, etc.

Besides, isn't Obamacare supposed to take care of all of that anyway? There should be no need for planned parenthood. 

[Nighthawk]

There, you guys should be happy now. A budget passed without defunding planned parenthood.

[Palehorse]

What is the big deal if the defund planned parenthood anyway??

They seem to be getting enough money from private donations to operate. They raked in 1.1 billion last year and only got 370 some-odd million from the feds so that funding shouldn't be needed.

As I stated before, the funding that was to go to planned parenthood would then go to help fund other women's health programs that would achieve the same things that everyone seems to think will go away. Prenatal care, cancer screenings, GYN exams, etc.

Besides, isn't Obamacare supposed to take care of all of that anyway? There should be no need for planned parenthood. 

Lets see how that works out for Indiana, when the 3 million dollars they count on to fund "federally approved medical procedures" is removed from their revenue stream. Lets see just how many women in Indiana die as a direct result of this loss in funding.

Lets see how many private citizens in this state step up to the plate and donate to make up the loss; especially during the current economic climate.

And while we're running this social experiment to provide validation for a political point, who wants to be the one to explain to the parents of those teens and women who die as a direct result of this loss of support, that their child died, (or had their life ruined), just to prove a political point that in the big picture does NOTHING to better society or improve quality of life for anyone but legislators themselves?

Who wants to explain to those parents that their child died/ruined their life just so this country can repeat a lesson it learned LONG ago, and SHOULD have retained, just to revalidate it?

The "big deal" is that money is utilized to EXPAND the program and increase its availability; especially to those areas suffering long term economic depression that drives poverty. (And if you don't believe those kinds of areas persist in this country, I invite you to jump aboard Amtrak's Southwest Chief and ride it toward Kansas. Pay special attention as it approaches the Mississippi river crossing, and beyond it. Take a camera because what you see will shock you, and you'll need the pictures to prove to yourself it was real afterwards).

And over the past 7 years the percentage of the population being economically forced to live in such conditions is increasing; more and more each and every day. Just look at the foreclosure rate and ask yourself just where those families being forced out of their homes are ending up. . . In fact, one need only to ride through Madison County Indiana to see very similar neighborhoods developing today. Take the blinders off and see what is right before your eyes.

Cutting social safety net funding and programs will NOT provide the fiscal impact stated as being necessary to provide a positive, high level impact upon the AOP of this nation, and its presentation as such is nothing more than a panacea being served up to divert the public attention from those budgetary items and legislative funding that is at best questionable, and certainly NOT imperative to the citizens of this nation that are not wealthy or high income earners.

[The Troll]

  Palehorse did you notice how NightSquawk hasn't answered the question.  What would  you do if his daughter got knocked up by a HIV infected crack head.  Would he knock it or force his daughter to have the kid.  I know what I would do.  Really I don't care what he does to his own girl.  I just don't want him to decide what would happen to other girls through federal laws. 

[Anne]

He did answer, what would you do, Troll?

[me]

What? I don't think you know what's going on. He didn't say that he wouldn't sign a bill because it benefits the military. He said that he won't sign another band aid. I don't blame him. They've had 6 months to get the budget done. The fact he told them that he wouldn't sign another band aid is being twisted.

The truth is that a critical deadline is approaching and Boehner would rather see our government SHUT DOWN than allow women access to cancer screenings, birth control, and prenatal care. It's a political game and women are his pawns.

A budget that should have been done last year when the dems were in the majority......Remember?????  Wouldn't be such a major thing if it had been done when it was supposed to be now would it? 

[me]

What? I don't think you know what's going on. He didn't say that he wouldn't sign a bill because it benefits the military. He said that he won't sign another band aid. I don't blame him. They've had 6 months to get the budget done. The fact he told them that he wouldn't sign another band aid is being twisted.

The truth is that a critical deadline is approaching and Boehner would rather see our government SHUT DOWN than allow women access to cancer screenings, birth control, and prenatal care. It's a political game and women are his pawns.

Oh and planned parenthood does not do cancer screenings or blood pressure checks.  A woman can go to a clinic for that just as she can to do anything else, except abortions, that planned parent hood does.

[Sandy Eggo]

Oh and planned parenthood does not do cancer screenings or blood pressure checks.  A woman can go to a clinic for that just as she can to do anything else, except abortions, that planned parent hood does.

Is that your best guess?

http://m.plannedparenthood.org/mt/www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are/planned-parenthood-glance-5552.htm

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood

Planned Parenthood refers AND either pays or partially pays for other services that a woman can't afford. They don't screen for cancer? O'Rly? So besides the detection of STDs what do you think the purpose of Paps and blood tests is?

The federal money rec'd doesn't fund abortions so I'm really not understanding why you and others are so against this valuable service.

[Nighthawk]

  Palehorse did you notice how NightSquawk hasn't answered the question.  What would  you do if his daughter got knocked up by a HIV infected crack head.  Would he knock it or force his daughter to have the kid.  I know what I would do.  Really I don't care what he does to his own girl.  I just don't want him to decide what would happen to other girls through federal laws. 

I figured that you were too stupid or blind to be able to simply read. I did answer your question.

[Nighthawk]

Lets see how that works out for Indiana, when the 3 million dollars they count on to fund "federally approved medical procedures" is removed from their revenue stream. Lets see just how many women in Indiana die as a direct result of this loss in funding.

Lets see how many private citizens in this state step up to the plate and donate to make up the loss; especially during the current economic climate.

And while we're running this social experiment to provide validation for a political point, who wants to be the one to explain to the parents of those teens and women who die as a direct result of this loss of support, that their child died, (or had their life ruined), just to prove a political point that in the big picture does NOTHING to better society or improve quality of life for anyone but legislators themselves?

Who wants to explain to those parents that their child died/ruined their life just so this country can repeat a lesson it learned LONG ago, and SHOULD have retained, just to revalidate it?

The "big deal" is that money is utilized to EXPAND the program and increase its availability; especially to those areas suffering long term economic depression that drives poverty. (And if you don't believe those kinds of areas persist in this country, I invite you to jump aboard Amtrak's Southwest Chief and ride it toward Kansas. Pay special attention as it approaches the Mississippi river crossing, and beyond it. Take a camera because what you see will shock you, and you'll need the pictures to prove to yourself it was real afterwards).

And over the past 7 years the percentage of the population being economically forced to live in such conditions is increasing; more and more each and every day. Just look at the foreclosure rate and ask yourself just where those families being forced out of their homes are ending up. . . In fact, one need only to ride through Madison County Indiana to see very similar neighborhoods developing today. Take the blinders off and see what is right before your eyes.

Cutting social safety net funding and programs will NOT provide the fiscal impact stated as being necessary to provide a positive, high level impact upon the AOP of this nation, and its presentation as such is nothing more than a panacea being served up to divert the public attention from those budgetary items and legislative funding that is at best questionable, and certainly NOT imperative to the citizens of this nation that are not wealthy or high income earners.

Talk about spin!! OH MY GOD!!!! IF PLANNED PARENTHOOD LOSES FUNDING WOMEN WILL DIE!!!!

Still, you missed, or chose to ignore, that the money that was to go to planned parenthood would go to other programs/services that do the exact same things, if not more, than planned parenthood.

The ONLY extra service PP provides is abortion.