Obama to nominate Elena Kagan to the SCOTUS

[Sandy Eggo]

Sooo, I imagine that Anne and Henry have never been in a situation where they made a plan, had all intentions of following through and then reevaluated and/or changed the plan based on more information or other more pressing concerns. If they did, then I guess that makes them liars also or perhaps hypocrites. Whichever or both and to think those decisions were no where near as critical as the President's.

Henry, I'm sure you thought your Constitution remark was profound enough to post twice I honestly don't understand your sudden concern about the constitution. The previous administration stomped all over it and there wasn't one peep of concern from you. At any rate, you don't know that she won't uphold the constitution so your angst is without merit...as usual.

[The Troll]

Clearly, I didn't run for President and make those promises, President Obama did. He made those promises either knowing he could not keep them or was so uninformed that he really thought it would be easy to  keep them. Either way what I said was true, he made promises, statements that were untrue and he couldn't keep his word. Anyone who thought about the problems of closing Gitmo, unemployment and withdrawl from Iraq were more complicated that just "doing it" is either stupid or deliberately misstating what he would do.

  How do you, all knowing one, know that he deliberately misstated what he would do.

  What you are saying is, like you are going on a vacation in Northern Indiana and your going to go swimming in a strange lake.  Your not going to know how deep, how warm, how cold, how clear or how polluted it is, until you get in it and get wet.

  Obama didn't know, or anybody else knew just how much the Republicans had polluted the waters.  The Republicans, bankersters and stockmarketeers knew, but they weren't talking.  You want to blame Obama for what the Republicans kept secret.  Hell, we can't even find out who who the oil executives were, Cheney brought to the White House, just before the price of of gasoline went to $4 a gallon.

  Now you tell me about the 2 wars your wonderful George W. got us into.  I want to see you defend  him on Iraq.  Hell, he wouldn't talk to his dad, George "42" about it.  Stupid, stupid, stupid.

   Give us a break and quite watching Fox News for your news.

  Oh, one more thing.  How do you think the pair, you voted for, Old George McCain and the brain Sara Palin would be handling this mess your party has got us into. 

[The Troll]

     

Sorry to prove you wrong Troll but I think you'd better do some reading up on your history.
   


http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/nge/Article.jsp?id=h-1366

Dixiecrats

The Dixiecrats were members of the States' Rights Democratic Party, which splintered from the Democratic Party in 1948.
Courtesy of the Strom Thurmond Institute of Government and Public Affairs, Clemson University
Strom Thurmond
The faction consisted of malcontented southern delegates to the Democratic Party who protested the insertion of a civil rights plank in the party platform and U.S. president Harry S. Truman's advocacy of that plank. Before the convention southern delegates were dismayed by Truman's 1948 executive order to desegregate the armed forces. With that backdrop many southern delegates were already concerned as they headed to the 1948 Democratic convention.

When the Democratic national convention convened in July 1948, some Alabama and Mississippi delegates were prepared to walk out of the convention if the civil rights platform passed. When it did, all of the Mississippi delegates and half of the Alabama delegates stormed out of the convention. On July 17, 1948, the Alabama and Mississippi delegations, and a few individual delegates from other southern states, met in Birmingham, Alabama, to select a presidential ticket to oppose the Democrats. The Dixiecrats chose South Carolina's governor, Strom Thurmond, for president and Fielding L. Wright, governor of Mississippi, for vice president.

The goal of the Dixiecrats was twofold. First, the splinter party hoped to deny both the Democrats and Republicans a majority in the electoral college, forcing the election into the U.S. House of Representatives.
Courtesy of the Strom Thurmond Institute of Government and Public Affairs, Clemson University
Strom Thurmond
Second, Dixiecrat leaders maneuvered to have the Thurmond-Wright ticket declared the "official" Democratic Party ticket on the ballots of all southern states. In the end this ploy succeeded only in Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina, all Deep South states. Georgia was the lone Deep South state to remain loyal to the national Democratic Party; the Dixiecrat ticket appeared on Georgia ballots as a third party.

On election day 1948, the Dixiecrats won Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina but failed to win any state in which Thurmond appeared as a third-party candidate. In Georgia, Thurmond came in a distant second to Truman. A closer analysis of the Dixiecrat phenomenon revealed an interesting pattern: the Dixiecrats were most successful in the states and counties where black citizens were the most numerous. The Deep South states boasted the largest black populations, and white voters in those states were the most determined to preserve racial segregation and black disenfranchisement, and thus were more likely to vote for the Dixiecrat ticket. A similar trend is evident in county-level election returns, in which Thurmond was more likely to win counties where black populations were large and white voters feared racial change. In the border South, where blacks were less abundant and white voters were less preoccupied with segregation, support for the Dixiecrat candidates was negligible.

Although the Dixiecrats immediately dissolved after the 1948 election, their impact lasted much longer. Many white voters who initially cast Dixiecrat ballots gravitated back toward the Democratic Party only grudgingly, and they remained nominal Democrats at best. Ultimately, the Dixiecrat movement paved the way for the rise of the modern Republican Party in the South. Many former Dixiecrat supporters eventually became Republicans, as was highlighted by Strom Thurmond's conversion in the 1960s.

Suggested Reading

Jack Bass and Marilyn W. Thompson, Ol' Strom: An Unauthorized Biography of Strom Thurmond (Atlanta: Longstreet, 1998).

Kari Frederickson, The Dixiecrat Revolt and the End of the Solid South, 1932-1968 (Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 2001).

V. O. Key, Southern Politics in State and Nation, new ed. (Knoxville: University of Tennessee Press, 1984).

Scott E. Buchanan, Columbus State University

Published 7/27/2004

And another one but I'm only copying and pasting part of it and you'll need to click on the link at the end of what I post to read the rest.

Southern Strategy" was born.

Hubert Humphrey

At the 1948 Democratic National Convention, a group led by Senator Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota proposed some controversial new civil rights planks of racial integration and the reversal of Jim Crow laws to be included in the party platform. Southern Democrats were dismayed. President Harry S. Truman was caught in the middle for his recent executive order to racially integrate the armed forces. As a compromise, he proposed the adoption of only those planks that had been in the 1944 platform. That was not enough for the liberals. Truman's own civil rights initiatives had made the civil rights debate unavoidable.

The planks were adopted and 35 southern Democrats walked out in protest. They formed the States' Rights Democratic Party, which became popularly known as the Dixiecrats. Their campaign slogan was "Segregation Forever!" Their platform also included "states' rights" to freedom from governmental interference in an individual's or organization's prerogative to do business with whomever they wanted. http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1751.html

   Just where was I wrong about the Dixiecrats.  They were the most evil racist bastards in American.  They were KKK assholes.  They were out to keep the blacks in slavery and old Strom Thumond fathered a mixed black child, which he payed to keep quiet.

  Everything they did was to keep the blacks down and to keep themselvess in power.  They were the scum of the earth.

  And you want to call them Democrats, they voted with the Republicans than the Democrats.  All you want to do is try to defile the Democratic Party with filthy lies.

  Let's get your mind out of the

[Anne]

  How do you, all knowing one, know that he deliberately misstated what he would do.

  What you are saying is, like you are going on a vacation in Northern Indiana and your going to go swimming in a strange lake.  Your not going to know how deep, how warm, how cold, how clear or how polluted it is, until you get in it and get wet.

  Obama didn't know, or anybody else knew just how much the Republicans had polluted the waters.  The Republicans, bankersters and stockmarketeers knew, but they weren't talking.  You want to blame Obama for what the Republicans kept secret.  Hell, we can't even find out who who the oil executives were, Cheney brought to the White House, just before the price of of gasoline went to $4 a gallon.

  Now you tell me about the 2 wars your wonderful George W. got us into.  I want to see you defend  him on Iraq.  Hell, he wouldn't talk to his dad, George "42" about it.  Stupid, stupid, stupid.

   Give us a break and quite watching Fox News for your news.

  Oh, one more thing.  How do you think the pair, you voted for, Old George McCain and the brain Sara Palin would be handling this mess your party has got us into. 

Try reading more carefully. I said maybe he was just so uninformed he didn't realize he actually couldn't do what he said he would do. Maybe lack of  research? Poor support from his staff? Oh  I did not say one word about Mr. Bush. You had to dig deep for that one. Why is it that everyone one who says anything remotely critical of President Obama is automatically a racist or a Republican? He is not God you know or the devil either.

[Henry Hawk]

Henry, I'm sure you thought your Constitution remark was profound enough to post twice I honestly don't understand your sudden concern about the constitution. The previous administration stomped all over it and there wasn't one peep of concern from you. At any rate, you don't know that she won't uphold the constitution so your angst is without merit...as usual.

Listen Sandy, pull your head out of your behind for a moment....I never claimed she won't uphold the constitution......for some reason, you love to put words in my mouth...I simply beleive that the vetting process must be extra thorough, because there are no cases to determine HOW she would intrepret the law or the constitution...where as before with judges who HAVE had cases indicating how they would rule on particular issues...I was not TRYING to be profound, just wanted for some folks to be sure to read an intelligent statement regarding this potential appointment.....and btw, the previous admin did not stomp on the Constitution, but this one is shredding it.

[The Troll]

Listen Sandy, pull your head out of your behind for a moment....I never claimed she won't uphold the constitution......for some reason, you love to put words in my mouth...I simply beleive that the vetting process must be extra thorough, because there are no cases to determine HOW she would intrepret the law or the constitution...where as before with judges who HAVE had cases indicating how they would rule on particular issues...I was not TRYING to be profound, just wanted for some folks to be sure to read an intelligent statement regarding this potential appointment.....and btw, the previous admin did not stomp on the Constitution, but this one is shredding it.

  What do you mean this one is sure shredding it.  Name one where your constitutional rights are being shredded.  Make a real one not just the usual B.S.

  The last appointment made by Bush.  Roberts, sure prove the intent of the Republican to to stack the deck in favor of the corporations.

  Remember the Ruling by the Roberts lead court of giving the corporations the same standings of a human being.  Plus the unlimited amout of money they can spend on getting their shills elected.

  I think your the one who needs to get their head out of their ass.  Your whole life and sight must have a brown sheen to it.

[The Troll]

Listen Sandy, pull your head out of your behind for a moment....I never claimed she won't uphold the constitution......for some reason, you love to put words in my mouth...I simply beleive that the vetting process must be extra thorough, because there are no cases to determine HOW she would intrepret the law or the constitution...where as before with judges who HAVE had cases indicating how they would rule on particular issues...I was not TRYING to be profound, just wanted for some folks to be sure to read an intelligent statement regarding this potential appointment.....and btw, the previous admin did not stomp on the Constitution, but this one is shredding it.

  How can anyone be informed when the banks and the stockmarket a hiding their stealing and the agencies who are to rate the performance and trustworthiness are lying.  All of the CEO's lying.  How would anyone on the outside and out of the loop do any research.  The Bush administration was like a Blackhole.  Anything that went in never came out, unless they want to control the situation.

  What make me mad is the Republicans have poisoned the Kool-aid well.  They have got a lot of people drinking the poison Kool-aid, that if you reelect us and put us back into office we won't lie, cheat and steal anymore.  Well, I say to that is,

[Sandy Eggo]

Henry, do you read what you write?

There are other methods to assess Ms. Kagen's credentials. (R) Susan Collins - Maine said "....I look forward to meeting her to learn more about her experience and the judicial philosphy she would bring to the court. Ms Kagen has an impressive resume of dedicated public service and strong legal credentials but she does not have extensive writings by which one can assess her judicial philosophy. In the coming weeks, I will closely examine her record as U.S. Solicitor General. I will also follow the Judiciary Committee hearings so that I can better assess how she might approach issues as a judge."

So again, your concern about the constitution is unfounded and reactionary based on your blind partisanship. Thankfully, other people are willing to examine the complete evidence.

As for the previous administration and the constitution ... I guess your ignorance of the facts would justify why you didn't whine about it during the last administration, but your claim of continued ignorance when you're attempting to hold this administration to your set standard is disingenuous...at best

[Henry Hawk]

Henry, do you read what you write?

There are other methods to assess Ms. Kagen's credentials. (R) Susan Collins - Maine said "....I look forward to meeting her to learn more about her experience and the judicial philosphy she would bring to the court. Ms Kagen has an impressive resume of dedicated public service and strong legal credentials but she does not have extensive writings by which one can assess her judicial philosophy. In the coming weeks, I will closely examine her record as U.S. Solicitor General. I will also follow the Judiciary Committee hearings so that I can better assess how she might approach issues as a judge."

So again, your concern about the constitution is unfounded and reactionary based on your blind partisanship. Thankfully, other people are willing to examine the complete evidence.

As for the previous administration and the constitution ... I guess your ignorance of the facts would justify why you didn't whine about it during the last administration, but your claim of continued ignorance when you're attempting to hold this administration to your set standard is disingenuous...at best

that is the pot calling the kettle black, but you and your friends on here are so blindly biased, you simply write off anyone who remotely opposes your views as disingenuous....

seriously folks, try looking in the mirror for few seconds before you post....you are no different that what you accuse me and me of....

[Henry Hawk]

if obama says she is a good judge then that is all we need.........just sign her up!!!!

THAT is the liberal mentality. 

[Bo D]

seriously folks, try looking in the mirror for few seconds before you post....you are no different that what you accuse me and me of....

Yes we are. We don't blindly post every piece of trash that hits our in-box without checking it out first.

Remember ... grapes can grow in England, and that luxury "U.S." prison was in Europe. 

[Palehorse]

if obama says she is a good judge then that is all we need.........just sign her up!!!!

THAT is the liberal mentality. 

No, that is the extremist, reactionary, knee-jerk, reaction one expects from those with an agenda. . .

I don't think anyone here has stated this candidate should be an automatic appointment, but rather expressed hopes that this type of less than admirable foundation would not be utilized as a means to trash an otherwise well qualified candidate.

A hope that, if this forum can be utilized as a gauge of national / party perspectives, is akin to pissing into the wind.

[Henry Hawk]

Yes we are. We don't blindly post every piece of trash that hits our in-box without checking it out first.

Remember ... grapes can grow in England, and that luxury "U.S." prison was in Europe. 

and I don't post EVERY piece of trash that hits my in-box.....just the pieces of trash that I find amusing....

[Henry Hawk]

Here is an example of what I am talking about....
" I think this is an EXCELLENT choice.  As Solicitor General, she's already familiar with all of the justices, and from what I read, has a good relationship with all of them.  I think she will work well with them if confirmed.   
"

this poster read a few lines from a new article about her, and he has already decided she is a great choice.....there had not even been a chance to post anything else about her.....becasue Obama said!!..

[Bo D]

and I don't post EVERY piece of trash that hits my in-box.....just the pieces of trash that I find amusing....

So easily amused! So maybe you don't post EVERY piece of trash? Yet you sprinkle in the trash often enough that it makes all of your posts suspect.