Should the US Continue Off Shore Drilling Despite The Spill?

[Sandy Eggo]

Either and whatever your intent was you only managed silly.

[me]

Either and whatever your intent was you only managed silly.

I realize you were probably referring to the college brainiacs but I couldn't resist.   

[The Troll]

Epistemophobiac

  Ok Sandy, fill the dumby in on what the word means.  It's got to be a made up medical term.

  The medical profession like's to use these words to keep us common people in the dark.  Just like in the old days, when the bible was written in Latin and it was a crime for common people to read it.  The Priest would give the service in Latin to keep the common people in the dark.

  Thanks to King Henry, he had the bible printed in English and let everbody read it.  You won't see the medical profession wanting the common people to see everything they do in the light of day.

[followsthewolf]

Fear of knowledge.

[Sandy Eggo]

Thanks FTW

I was referring to me's aversion to education and that seemed to be the closest fit.

I'm still unsure why someone who is "college educated" would lack "logic and common sense". 

I also think that engineers would typically be the ones who "work with" this equipment and I've never met and engineer w/out higher education.

Just saying....

[followsthewolf]

Every job/profession/workplace has its own jargon or specialized vocabulary.

[The Troll]

Thanks FTW

I was referring to me's aversion to education and that seemed to be the closest fit.

I'm still unsure why someone who is "college educated" would lack "logic and common sense". 

I also think that engineers would typically be the ones who "work with" this equipment and I've never met and engineer w/out higher education.

Just saying....

  We Sandy, you must have lived in another world than I have.  I spent 38 years in the auto industry in skilled trades and I have work with a lot of college educated people.

  Well I'm here to tell there is a lot of college people and engineers that lack logic and common sense.  One time Ford hire about 25 just out of college educated engineers and gave them supervisor power over skilled tradesmen with 20 to 30 years of experience.  Oh my god what a mess.  These kids couldn't fix their own bicycles.  Some of them would tell you they didn't know much about the job and we would work together and we got along fine.

  But some, especially the Purdue boys.  All they had going for them was a degree and an bad attitude towards blue collar skilled tradesman (hourly workers).  Beside being smart asses, they had no idea how to work with people and to actually do anything.  They wouldn't have made good apprentices.

  Some of them didn't amount to a hill of beans.  The real smart ones left Ford because they could see the writting on the wall about the American automobile business, they left for better jobs.  The dumbass ones we got to keep.

[me]

Thanks FTW

I was referring to me's aversion to education and that seemed to be the closest fit.

I'm still unsure why someone who is "college educated" would lack "logic and common sense". 

I also think that engineers would typically be the ones who "work with" this equipment and I've never met and engineer w/out higher education.

Just saying....

There are a lot of college educated people who couldn't pour sand out of a boot with the directions on the heel.  Sorry Sandy but you were way off base on that one.
Just because something works in theory does not mean it will work in practice and a lot of college educated people, engineers, don't realize that.

[followsthewolf]

Ah, yes.

The age-old "yepperoo, ah've gots more common sense in mah lil' finger than that collidge-eddycated maroon's got in his whole durn body" saw.

Has nothing to do with specialized learning. Has to do with intuitive problem-solving.

Bet them there non collidge-eddicated folks we all know and love could have created the technology to get us to the moon, right?

Sure, just a lil' commin sents an' some bailin' wire and some chewin' gum is all it woulda took; no collidge eddication needed, right?

We should burn all them books 'cuz they ain't got no prattical stuff in 'em, right?

An' 'em medicull books, too. They ain't got nuttin' we need ta save lives, 'cuz we gots tea bags 'an ginger root, right?

[The Troll]

Thanks FTW

I've never met and engineer w/out higher education.

Just saying....

  And you won't,  it's the college educated good old boy club.  Just like Harvard and Yale's good old boy club in Washington in our government.

  It's because college boys hire college boys.  There is a gigantic amount of inventors, small business men and women who are self taught engineers and probably created as much to our country as the college educated engineers.

  If I own an business and I was hiring someone, they probably could  take their degrees and hang it in their ass.  I would go for experience and attitude and the ability to do the job.  I seen Ford hire an Industrail arts teacher to be an engineer and one man who had a major in animal husbandry hired as an engineer.  He did to Ford what he was trained to do with animals.

[Sandy Eggo]

I guess it goes w/out saying, but I disagree with both Troll and "me".

"A lot", me, really? That's prejudice speaking and nothing else. You don't mention the inept uneducated people.

Troll, while I think it could be a mistake to hire simply based on a college education, unless it's an intern program of some sort, there are specialized degrees which would make someone a quality candiate.

[The Troll]

Ah, yes.

The age-old "yepperoo, ah've gots more common sense in mah lil' finger than that collidge-eddycated maroon's got in his whole durn body" saw.

Has nothing to do with specialized learning. Has to do with intuitive problem-solving.

Bet them there non collidge-eddicated folks we all know and love could have created the technology to get us to the moon, right?

Sure, just a lil' commin sents an' some bailin' wire and some chewin' gum is all it woulda took; no collidge eddication needed, right?

We should burn all them books 'cuz they ain't got no prattical stuff in 'em, right?

An' 'em medicull books, too. They ain't got nuttin' we need ta save lives, 'cuz we gots tea bags 'an ginger root, right?

  Hey, old man your college education is showing and your attitude towards the poor dumbass uneducated people below you.  How did you survive being around all of uneducated dumbasses.  Life can be so cruel.

  I bet you hardly learn anything in college that really prepared for the job you ended up with.  Your learned your skill and expertness on the job and the people who taught you your skill on that job.  But your self importance and you ability to look down on people less than you, that was self taught.

  Your not even smart enough to write like you not some kind of an uneducated hillbilly.  It must be real hard for you to have to deal with poor white trash.  Other than to have them serve you.

  Yes Massa bossman.     

[The Troll]

I guess it goes w/out saying, but I disagree with both Troll and "me".

"A lot", me, really? That's prejudice speaking and nothing else. You don't mention the inept uneducated people.

Troll, while I think it could be a mistake to hire simply based on a college education, unless it's an intern program of some sort, there are specialized degrees which would make someone a quality candiate.

  Sandy, tell me why going to college for four years, 36 months make some people think the are above people who didn't go to college.  I spent four year in an apprenticeship and the college boys look down on me as being uneducated.  And these punks don't know one damn thing about what we are going to work on.  I have to teach him everything and he still looks down on me, "because I went to college for four years" and you didn't.  WOW!

  Now don't get me wrong, I have worked with some brilliant people.  But I am sick and tired of this idea that if you go to college for four years you're superior.  That's just plain bullshit.

[Sandy Eggo]

I can't really speak to the elitist mindset of some individuals, but the way I see it, it's really not that different than someone who automatically assumes that someone with higher education is a dummy.


I honestly don't think that applies to you, Troll. If anything, you come across as fair. But if they talk the talk, they'd better walk the walk and I totally agree with you.

I'm just saying that it's not a good idea to make assumptions of someone's intellect ot ability based on higher education or lack thereof.

For example, Bush graduated from Yale and Harvard (MBA) Bill Gates did not graduate from Harvard.

My point was really directed at me, who made a typical blanket statement regarding people with degrees.

[Palehorse]

To my way of thinking all a degree does is document that an individual can set a goal and work consistently over a period of time to achieve it. Period.

Whether they can take a given curriculum and apply it toward everyday and/or professional life is another matter entirely, and obtaining a degree in no way assures anyone's ability to do so. Moreover, obtaining a degree within a given discipline in no way locks one into a particular career path either.

My personal opinion is that engineers can typically adopt an exclusive attitude toward the task and the hiring process. (Especially if they are from Purdue).  It does not make them right, but in their own minds they are never wrong either, and that is the problem.

Some of the best engineers I have ever had the pleasure of working with, knew from experience that their best resource toward the development of an engineered solution for any problem encountered, was the people in the trenches working in the impacted area(s) each and every day. And they drank from that well deeply and regularly.  I don't suppose this oil spill situation is any different in that regard. . .