Arizona ... Right or wrong?

[Henry Hawk]

Naw.

Ah'm gonna take muh Bushmaster an' hole muh' self up an' pik off 'em 'ere Messikins as they comes 'cross tha border.

nice answer...

[followsthewolf]

Keeps 'em in there place, right?

[Henry Hawk]

Keeps 'em in there place, right?

THEIR Place is NOT here in the U.S.....(that is why they are called 'Illegal'...) why don't they do it like other immigrants, and go by OUR laws?

[followsthewolf]

Nah.

Dead's better.

That way, they don't come back.

[Palehorse]

over 70% of the people in AZ support this bill, but people who do not live there KNOW what is best for them?...

I say it is HIGH time we close down the borders....with military. We can fix the drip until you stop the leak.

Remember ONE thing, they are called Illegal Immigrants for a reason.....THEY are breaking the law.

More hysterical and reactionary responses. Deploying an already strained military toward our borders may be a band aid worth utilizing, but just how long do you think it will take before Mexico considers such action aggressive and responds in kind? And then how long do you think it'll take for some gung ho individuals on both sides to start firing at one another and incite a declaration of a new Mexican war? That situation would get out of control in a damned hurry!

Does something need to be done about this? Hell yes it does. But actions that evoke Nazi Germany are not the solution and will only serve to inflame an already bad situation.

"Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she

With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

I guess these are just words on a plaque and not a mission statement or vision our country held in the highest esteem. . .

[Henry Hawk]

Talk is cheap...

close the damn borders....there is NO other way to stop the mess.....it does NOT have to be violent.

Othere countries does it....it is out of control.  Maybe we need to expedite a system to make immigrants a citizen, or an easier solution to get a green card....but, we are being disrespected and taken advantage of...and it is costing us billions of dollars we do not have....

Arizona is taking innitiative...and I support them for it....It is THEIR state....and the fed gov is NOT in a big hurry to do anything about it....except may an amnesty plan, and THAT is NOT a good solution.

[Palehorse]

"Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she

With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Like I said, I guess these are just words on a plaque and not a mission statement or vision our country held in the highest esteem. . .

[Henry Hawk]

Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907


NOW those are some interesting words....

[Henry Hawk]

FROM CNN's Jack Cafferty:
So Arizona passes a tough law against illegal immigration and suddenly they get Washington's attention.

One poll finds 70 percent of Arizona voters support the new law... hey, maybe we better do something too. So like the lemmings they are when they smell a chance to score political points... and some of them need a lot of help with the midterms approaching - there is talk now of rushing immigration reform through Congress.

President Obama called the Arizona law "misguided." What is misguided, Mr. President, is the federal government's refusal to enforce the laws already on the books. Read the Arizona law... parts of it are word-for-word the same as the federal laws - which continue to be ignored.Now we'll hear all sorts of blathering from our Washington gerbils about the need for a new federal law.

There will be press conferences, interviews, committee hearings, draft legislation, polling... all the usual carnival acts that accompany any hot-button issue in Washington, DC.Instead of simply closing the borders and enforcing the existing law so that they could turn their attention to something like the national debt and the fact that the country is bankrupt, we will get this freak show.Washington's position on illegal immigration is dishonest from the top down.

No enforcement. No border security. Just pandering to the Hispanic voters and the corporations that hire the illegals.
But when one of our states that is being ravaged by the presence of 460,000 illegal aliens inside its borders does something about it, the president says that's "misguided."

What a shame.
http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/

[me]

I know what that statue says and what it means and it does not mean come on over and take advantage of us which is what is happening.  It means come legally, like many others have done, and you will have an opportunity to better yourself free of the oppressive government and taxes you are choosing to leave.  The way I see it though is once this administration gets done there will no longer be any attraction for people to immigrate to the US because we will all be equally depressed and poor.

"Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she

With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Like I said, I guess these are just words on a plaque and not a mission statement or vision our country held in the highest esteem. . .

[Palehorse]

I know what that statue says and what it means and it does not mean come on over and take advantage of us which is what is happening.  It means come legally, like many others have done, and you will have an opportunity to better yourself free of the oppressive government and taxes you are choosing to leave.  The way I see it though is once this administration gets done there will no longer be any attraction for people to immigrate to the US because we will all be equally depressed and poor.

Have you personally ever looked into what an individual wanting to legally immigrate to the US has to go through to achieve citizenship? I have, and I know several who ran the gauntlet to achieve it.

I would bet over 90% of current American citizens would be unable to pass the test!

[me]

Have you personally ever looked into what an individual wanting to legally immigrate to the US has to go through to achieve citizenship? I have, and I know several who ran the gauntlet to achieve it.

I would bet over 90% of current American citizens would be unable to pass the test!

And that has what to do with what is going on now?  Yes, there are some good illegals but the bad ones are making it hard on them and us and something needs to be done now not later.  They need to learn our language not us learn theirs and they need to go by our rules not have us change ours to suit them.  Would you let someone come into your house and change your rules to suit themselves just to not make waves and be accommodating? 

[Henry Hawk]

Have you personally ever looked into what an individual wanting to legally immigrate to the US has to go through to achieve citizenship? I have, and I know several who ran the gauntlet to achieve it.

I would bet over 90% of current American citizens would be unable to pass the test!

we had 1,046,539 persons that were naturalized as U.S. citizens in 2008...

but that has NOTHING to do with the problem we now face....and it IS a problem.  AZ, is trying to fix it....what was being done (which was nothing)...was not fixing it.....they are implementing laws that was basicly set forth by our fed gov...I applaud them.

[Palehorse]

we had 1,046,539 persons that were naturalized as U.S. citizens in 2008...

but that has NOTHING to do with the problem we now face....and it IS a problem.  AZ, is trying to fix it....what was being done (which was nothing)...was not fixing it.....they are implementing laws that was basicly set forth by our fed gov...I applaud them.

And that has what to do with what is going on now?  Yes, there are some good illegals but the bad ones are making it hard on them and us and something needs to be done now not later.  They need to learn our language not us learn theirs and they need to go by our rules not have us change ours to suit them.  Would you let someone come into your house and change your rules to suit themselves just to not make waves and be accommodating?

I can say the same things surrounding health care reform; what was being done? Nothing. . . .

Again, I say these supposed "facts and statistics" are rooted in racially motivated initiatives and are being inflated due to hysteria. While I agree "something has to be done" why the importance of this issue trumps the dying and suffering needlessly , current American citizens within your personal agenda amazes me. . .

[Henry Hawk]

I can say the same things surrounding health care reform; what was being done? Nothing. . . .

Again, I say these supposed "facts and statistics" are rooted in racially motivated initiatives and are being inflated due to hysteria. While I agree "something has to be done" why the importance of this issue trumps the dying and suffering needlessly , current American citizens within your personal agenda amazes me. . .

the only reason this is even being discussed is because liberals are having a fit because AZ has passed a law to take care of this problem that has been ignored for too long...

and fixing THIS problem will aid in the effort of our Health Care problem.....and please tell me WHAT personal agenda I have that 'amazes' you?