Arizona ... Right or wrong?

[Henry Hawk]

well, something has got to be done...and do you know a better way?..........I'm not being a smart arse...just a serious question....I think some common sense has got to be in play...a little old white lady is probably not a threat, but a gang of hispanic folks very well could be....do you stop both the be politically correct or do you do what you are trained to do....these cops are trained into how to profile...and even though it honestly sucks for some folks, there has got to a starting point to stop the madness....

I know it does not give the cops a right to be pricks to anybody they think is an immigrant, but they CAN be polite and ask to see proper ID....and those who live in that area should oblige and be prepared to have proper ID....I cannot think of a better way to achieve this goal....can you?

[Palehorse]

well, something has got to be done...and do you know a better way?..........I'm not being a smart arse...just a serious question....I think some common sense has got to be in play...a little old white lady is probably not a threat, but a gang of hispanic folks very well could be....do you stop both the be politically correct or do you do what you are trained to do....these cops are trained into how to profile...and even though it honestly sucks for some folks, there has got to a starting point to stop the madness....

I know it does not give the cops a right to be pricks to anybody they think is an immigrant, but they CAN be polite and ask to see proper ID....and those who live in that area should oblige and be prepared to have proper ID....I cannot think of a better way to achieve this goal....can you?

The poll found "70% of likely voters in Arizona approve of the legislation...those people who live there KNOW of the violence and retorhic that has been going on....SOMETHING  needs  to  happen...

Interesting that in this case you want to "ram the law through" but when it comes to health care reform you endorse "taking our time and getting it right". . . Changing horses are yah? 

This law enables law enforcement to act in ways that will be very similar to Nazi Germany. You think going to the BMV is bad? What happens when they pass a similar law here and we have to carry around all that same documentation where ever we go? Hell a lot of people here in Indiana have a hard time coming up with the ID required now at the BMV.

Yeah, once a day every day and you'll get your back up when it goes on constantly. And the problem is you'll have to do it all of the time, several times a day.

Another point, what about when some jack booted thug points a weapon at you and robs you, taking all of that ID? Whatcha gonna do when he then opens up a bunch of lines of credit and puts you on the hook for 100 grand or so? The fact is, you go around carrying all that ID and when you are robbed your identification can also be assumed.

Better way? Yeah. Enforce the federal laws already on the books, close the loop-holes, and start getting the job done. But then, congress cannot even agree on what kind of toilet paper to use so how are we going to expect them to actually do something that needs doing?

The answer is not to resurrect Nazi Germany here in the United States! 

That is NOT the point.

The point is:  WHAT DOES AN ILLEGAL ALIEN LOOK LIKE??

And, before you get all huffy about the profiling debate, think about this ----

How many American citizens will be stopped and required to produce papers because they "look like" an illegal alien?

Just because YOU don't look like you are of Asian, Mexican, African, etc. descent, and YOU won't be stopped countless times to prove you are here legally, you really don't give a crap if someone else gets nailed 4 or 5 times a day, do you?

Exactly what I was referring to when I stated the law was too vague and broadly written. 

Hell, I lay out in the sun long enough I start looking like someone from the middle east. 
What happens when I am doing my Abu imitation when law enforcement passes by? I get detained and have to produce my "papers"! 

[Anne]

We have a crime watch group in our neighborhood and last year we talked about "undocumentated" persons. We were told by the police even if they arrest someone, (domestic violence, drunk driving, jaywalking,reckless driving, anything at all) and even if they do not speak english, they can not ask them for proof they are here legally and they have to contact the appropriate embassy if they are charged with a crime. Between that and supplying translators it costs a lot of money. IMO this isn't right, if I were arrest, I have to prove where I live and show a valid piece of identification, if I want to get out of jail, that is. Seems like we are coming out on the short end of the stick. I don't think these things have changed in the last year.

[Palehorse]

We have a crime watch group in our neighborhood and last year we talked about "undocumentated" persons. We were told by the police even if they arrest someone, (domestic violence, drunk driving, jaywalking,reckless driving, anything at all) and even if they do not speak english, they can not ask them for proof they are here legally and they have to contact the appropriate embassy if they are charged with a crime. Between that and supplying translators it costs a lot of money. IMO this isn't right, if I were arrest, I have to prove where I live and show a valid piece of identification, if I want to get out of jail, that is. Seems like we are coming out on the short end of the stick. I don't think these things have changed in the last year.

All they have to do is contact the local immigration office. FACT. They will take it from there.

[followsthewolf]

well, something has got to be done...and do you know a better way?..........I'm not being a smart arse...just a serious question....I think some common sense has got to be in play...a little old white lady is probably not a threat, but a gang of hispanic folks very well could be....do you stop both the be politically correct or do you do what you are trained to do....these cops are trained into how to profile...and even though it honestly sucks for some folks, there has got to a starting point to stop the madness....

I know it does not give the cops a right to be pricks to anybody they think is an immigrant, but they CAN be polite and ask to see proper ID....and those who live in that area should oblige and be prepared to have proper ID....I cannot think of a better way to achieve this goal....can you?

[Sandy Eggo]

Nothing like feeling like an unwelcome guest in your own home.

[Sandy Eggo]

Why not make it less finacially advantageous for those people importing and exporting humans by making the legal immigration process itself less difficult? and why not enforce the penalties which are already in place for people who employ non-citizens?

[Anne]

All they have to do is contact the local immigration office. FACT. They will take it from there.

All I know is there are lots and lots of non english speaking immigrants here and the police seem to think it is a problem that they can't ask if they have papers even after they are picked up.

[me]

Nothing like feeling like an unwelcome guest in your own home.

And the people in Arizona are feeling unsafe in their own homes because of the illegal immigrant crime. 

[Palehorse]

All I know is there are lots and lots of non english speaking immigrants here and the police seem to think it is a problem that they can't ask if they have papers even after they are picked up.

Again, all they have to do is inquire with immigration surrounding their status. It is 100% legal and in fact is routine when charged with an offense.

[Palehorse]

And the people in Arizona are feeling unsafe in their own homes because of the illegal immigrant crime.

That's propaganda. I've seen just as many citizens in the media who consider this law overzealous and discriminatory. It's nothing more than histrionics and puffery, and every one of those citizens who are scared can register for a concealed carry permit at their local law enforcement agency. Then they can legally plug those supposed criminals when they are threatened.

[Henry Hawk]

over 70% of the people in AZ support this bill, but people who do not live there KNOW what is best for them?...

I say it is HIGH time we close down the borders....with military. We can fix the drip until you stop the leak.

Remember ONE thing, they are called Illegal Immigrants for a reason.....THEY are breaking the law.

[followsthewolf]

Let's kill 'em all, and let gawd sort 'em out.

I remember that from somewhere back in the rotting jungle of my mind.

[Henry Hawk]

Let's kill 'em all, and let gawd sort 'em out.

I remember that from somewhere back in the rotting jungle of my mind.

no lets just let them break our laws, let them do what they want....it is okay if they want to ignore our laws, we don't want to "offend" someone...maybe we should have a big party for them....and sing kumbaya...

how dare the people of Arizona.....they should just shut up and IF they don't like what is going on they should just leave, RIGHT FTW?

[followsthewolf]

Naw.

Ah'm gonna take muh Bushmaster an' hole muh' self up an' pik off 'em 'ere Messikins as they comes 'cross tha border.