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Started by Henry Hawk, March 10, 2010, 03:23:24 PM

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#15
March 24, 2010, 10:09:43 AM
Quote from: LOsborne on March 24, 2010, 08:28:29 AM
Where in the hell did you come up with that idea anyway? 


Preamble to the Constitution maybe?  ..."promote the general welfare"...

And I am curious, me, if you don't believe this is the function of government, what do you believe is the function of government?
It certainly doesn't mean the government takes care of us from cradle to grave like in Russia.
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Exterminator

#16
March 24, 2010, 10:18:24 AM
No it doesn't mean that but their only responsibility is to the welfare of their citizens.  Remove the citizens, there is no need for government...that should be abundantly obvious to any thinking person.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

The Troll

#17
March 24, 2010, 05:27:15 PM
Quote from: me on March 24, 2010, 10:09:43 AM
It certainly doesn't mean the government takes care of us from cradle to grave like in Russia.

  "ME" you say you're still working because you made some stupid mistakes in you life.  Let me ask you this question.  If you had a chance to work for the government, state or federal.  :yes: Where you were receiving a government pay, government benefits and government retirement.  :yes: Would you still be working where you are now or work for some small business.  Making $7.10 per hour and no benefits.  :no: :rolleyes: :wink: :smile: :biggrin: No crickets, open you large pie hole and tell me.  YES or NO.

THE TROLL.

me

#18
March 24, 2010, 05:42:09 PM

Quote from: me on March 24, 2010, 10:09:43 AM
It certainly doesn't mean the government takes care of us from cradle to grave like in Russia.

  "ME" you say you're still working because you made some stupid mistakes in you life.  Let me ask you this question.  If you had a chance to work for the government, state or federal.  :yes: Where you were receiving a government pay, government benefits and government retirement.  :yes: Would you still be working where you are now or work for some small business.  Making $7.10 per hour and no benefits.  :no: :rolleyes: :wink: :smile: :biggrin: No crickets, open you large pie hole and tell me.  YES or NO.

THE TROLL.
Where did you see me post that I was still working or made stupid mistakes?  No, I probably wouldn't have worked for the government because those aren't the types of jobs that I would have been happy at.
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LOsborne

#19
March 24, 2010, 06:49:11 PM
Quote from: me on March 24, 2010, 10:09:43 AM
It certainly doesn't mean the government takes care of us from cradle to grave like in Russia.

I asked what you think the function of government is, not what you think it isn't. Try to reply with simple declarative statements. Something like "The function of government is to issue commemorative stamps." (That was an example, not a suggestion.)

Henry Hawk

#20
March 25, 2010, 12:00:38 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on March 24, 2010, 10:18:24 AM
No it doesn't mean that but their only responsibility is to the welfare of their citizens.  Remove the citizens, there is no need for government...that should be abundantly obvious to any thinking person.

What is the 'welfare' of the citizens?.....what does that mean to you? who decides what the citizens are entitled too, within our constitution?...when is it the federals place over the states?....THAT is the question that is dividing this country, imo.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

awol

#21
March 28, 2010, 10:08:14 AM
if nothing else, this debate shows the true colors of the "pro-life" party.

oh, you want an abortion?  you're a monster!

oh, you're child got hit by a car, and you can't afford to take him to the hospital?  he's gonna die.
"Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music." - George Carlin

Henry Hawk

#22
March 29, 2010, 08:37:25 AM
Quote from: awol on March 28, 2010, 10:08:14 AM
if nothing else, this debate shows the true colors of the "pro-life" party.

oh, you want an abortion?  you're a monster!

oh, you're child got hit by a car, and you can't afford to take him to the hospital?  he's gonna die.

for the record, there is not ONE hospital in this country that would not treat a life and death emergency.....THIS is typical liberal rhetoric scare tactics....
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

me

#23
March 29, 2010, 09:25:13 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 29, 2010, 08:37:25 AM
for the record, there is not ONE hospital in this country that would not treat a life and death emergency.....THIS is typical liberal rhetoric scare tactics....
There are also several agency's and programs available for financial aid to those who need it and a lot of those are charities which are funded through private donations and have nothing to do with the government.
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The Troll

#24
March 29, 2010, 04:30:55 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 24, 2010, 08:16:17 AM
I guess Teddy Roosevelt had the "square deal".....FDR had the "new deal".......and now Obama has the "Big F*#cking Deal"....



   I think it is a good big F*#ing deal.  After the F*#king George W."s and Henry's F*#king Republican party let the F*#king bankers, The F*#king Stockbrokers and the big F*#king corporations F*#k this country out of Billions and Billions of F*#king dollars.  What the F*#k where you saying, Henry, while they were F*#king us then????????? :rolleyes: :wink:

The troll.  :wink: :smile:

Henry Hawk

#25
March 29, 2010, 04:46:35 PM
Quote from: The Troll on March 29, 2010, 04:30:55 PM


   I think it is a good big F*#ing deal.  After the F*#king George W."s and Henry's F*#king Republican party let the F*#king bankers, The F*#king Stockbrokers and the big F*#king corporations F*#k this country out of Billions and Billions of F*#king dollars.  What the F*#k where you saying, Henry, while they were F*#king us then????????? :rolleyes: :wink:

The troll.  :wink: :smile:

calm down Troll dude!!..it was a JOKE, based upon Big Joe Bidens wonderful comment that was ON THE AIR when he called Pres Obama to the press conference....he leaned over and shook Obama's hand and said..."This is a big f'ing deal"...with a live mic....

and btw.......they STILL are f'ing us....BIG TIME....and I never said the Bush admin didn't F' us either.......they ALL are f'ing us big time...
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

The Troll

#26
March 29, 2010, 05:41:05 PM
   Yea, Henry, I know what Bidden said.  After he said it, I went over to Fox News and watched them make a big F*#king deal of it.  The other news networks talked about it and mentioned about Chaney telling a fellow senator of the floor of the Senate to go F*#k himself.  You sure didn't see Fox say anything about Chaney's statement.

   Yea, I done the Troll way, I went F*#king overboard and it's just a F*#king shame.

  The Troll   :smile: :yes:

The Troll

#27
March 29, 2010, 09:14:04 PM
Quote from: me on March 29, 2010, 09:25:13 AM
There are also several agency's and programs available for financial aid to those who need it and a lot of those are charities which are funded through private donations and have nothing to do with the government.


  "ME", I just love you sense of charity.  You don't want to pay a penny, a nickle, a dime, quarter or a dollar toward some poor down and out sick person.  Let someone else pay for it.


   I got a song for you, it goes to the tune of You, you, you by Ed Ames.  It goes.

  Me, Me, Me, I'm in love with me, me, meeeee.  Bless my little bitty heart, I'm in love with me, me, meeeee.   I was meant for myself as sure as heaven it above.  I was meant for myself, to hold and to love.  Me, Me, Me I'm in love with Me, Me, Me, screw the sick, sick, sick, I"m in love with Me, Me, Meeeeeeeee.

  The Troll   :wink: :smile: :biggrin: :biggrin:

Palehorse

#28
March 29, 2010, 09:41:49 PM
 :food24: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

What I find weird is that there are some pushing "charity" as "the proper way out for those in need", when in reality all this does is increase the costs for those who have insurance / funds. NOTHING is free, and we all pay for it one way or another.
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me

#29
March 30, 2010, 02:11:41 AM
Quote from: Palehorse on March 29, 2010, 09:41:49 PM
:food24: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

What I find weird is that there are some pushing "charity" as "the proper way out for those in need", when in reality all this does is increase the costs for those who have insurance / funds. NOTHING is free, and we all pay for it one way or another.
I understand that there is a certain amount of charity which comes from the tax payers but what about McDonald House, the Shriner's, and organizations of that sort which are private donations and have nothing to do with taxes.
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