Marine Corps Concerned About 'Jesus Guns,'

[Exterminator]

Why is it that it has NOT been repealed?

Too many bible-thumpers trying to force their religion onto the rest of us.

[Henry Hawk]

Too many bible-thumpers trying to force their religion onto the rest of us.

but IF it is unconstitutional, THAT should not make a difference, right?

[Palehorse]

but IF it is unconstitutional, THAT should not make a difference, right?

Exactly right, so get it off the money, keep it out of the buildings, and order an immediate re-write of that POA! 

[Henry Hawk]

The religious motto has been challenged by three lawsuits and has been found to be constitutional. The courts basically found that the motto does not endorse religion.
Aronow v. United States, 432 F.2d 242 (1970) in the United States Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit The court ruled that:

"It is quite obvious that the national motto and the slogan on coinage and currency 'In God We Trust' has nothing whatsoever to do with the establishment of religion. Its use is of patriotic or ceremonial character and bears no true resemblance to a governmental sponsorship of a religious exercise."

"Madalyn Murray O'Hair, et al. v. W. Michael Blumenthal, Secretary of Treasury, et al." 588 F.2d 1144 (1979) in the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit. Ms. O'Hair is (in)famous for successfully challenging compulsory prayer in U.S. public schools. The United States District Court, Western District of Texas, referring to the wording of the Ninth Circuit above, ruled that:

"From this it is easy to deduce that the Court concluded that the primary purpose of the slogan was secular; it served as secular ceremonial purpose in the obviously secular function of providing a medium of exchange. As such it is equally clear that the use of the motto on the currency or otherwise does not have a primary effect of advancing religion."

This ruling was sustained by the Fifth Circuit court. 

The Freedom From Religion Foundation, Inc. conducted a national survey which showed that
"In God We Trust" was regarded as religious by an overwhelming percentage of U.S. citizens. They initiated a lawsuit on 1994-JUN-8 in Denver CO to have it removed from U.S. paper currency and coins. They also wanted it to be discontinued as the national motto. Their lawsuit was dismissed by the district Court without trial, on the grounds that "In God We Trust" is not a religious phrase! The Tenth-Circuit federal judge confirmed the dismissal, stating in part:

"...we find that a reasonable observer, aware of the purpose, context, and history of the phrase 'In God we trust,' would not consider its use or its reproduction on U.S. currency to be an endorsement of religion."

http://www.religioustolerance.org/nat_mott.htm

[Henry Hawk]

No religion is being established and no one is stopped from exercising their religion. It's constitutional...

[Exterminator]

That's a rhetorical question; right?

See what I mean?

[Henry Hawk]

are you talking to yourself again?

[Exterminator]

No but you clearly are.

[Henry Hawk]

Only because you won't listen to what I have to say...

[Exterminator]

I've heard it all before.   

[Henry Hawk]

again, pertaining to "In God We Trust" issue;

No religion is being established and no one is stopped from exercising their religion. It's constitutional...

[dan foster]

again, pertaining to "In God We Trust" issue;

Yep, tyranny of the majority, unconstitutionally supported by the courts.  However, since it isn't a religious phrase, but one directed at a specific "god", I would suggest equal treatment requires the slogan to be cycled through the other secular slogans and include buddha, allah, satan, yahweh, ja, the sun, the moon, shiva, etc, etc, etc.  That way it can't be seen as just your christian god and an establishment of religion, huh MF?

[dan foster]

No religion is being established and no one is stopped from exercising their religion. It's constitutional...

The door was opened by such stupidity.  So, I hope one day you will be choking on "In Allah We Trust".  Dumb shite.