Conservatives....Liberals...

[mr. willy]

Talk about the gay officials how about this one.


Who is this demo.

[me]

 

[mr. willy]

Democrats:
1.    Wayne Hays (1976): Affair with secretary (one of the first major sex scandals)
2.    Allan Howe (1976): Solicited sex with two prostitutes (both of whom were undercover cops)
3.    John Young (1976): Staffer alleged sexual harrassment
4.    Fred Richmond (1978): Charged with soliciting sex from a 16-year-old boy.
5.    Gerry Studds (1983): Reprimanded for having sex with a male teenage House page
6.    Gary Hart (1988): Affair with model Donna Rice.
7.    Barney Frank (1989): Affair with male prostitute, who also conducted business in Frank's home.
8.    Chuck Robb (1991): Admitted to receiving a nude massage from a former Miss Virginia.
9.    Brock Adams (1992): Eight women accused him of sexual harassment, abuse, and rape.
10.    Mel Reynolds (1994): Sexual relationship with 16-year-old campaign volunteer.
11.    Bill Clinton (1998): Affair with intern Monica Lewinsky.
12.    Gary Condit (2001): Affair with (murdered) intern Chandra Levy.
13.    Paul Patton (2002): Affair with nursing home operator; when the affair ended the state of Kentucky filed numerous violations against her business.
14.    Bob Wise (2003): Affair with a state government staffer
15.    Jim McGreevey (2004): Resigned as NJ governor after admitting that he is "a gay American"
16.    Neil Goldschmidt (2004): Admitted to having a relationship with a 14-year-old girl in the 1970s.
17.    Roosevelt Dobbins (2005): Congressman form Arkansas, pleaded guilty to fondling a 16-year-old.
18.    Gavin Newsom (2007): Affair with the wife of a top aide.
19.    Antonio Villaraigosa (2007): Affair with a television reporter.
20.    Tim Mahoney (2008): Admitted to multiple affairs.
21.    Eliot Spitzer (2008): Involved in prostitution scandal.
22.    Paul Morrison (2008): Affair with administrative staffer while Attorney General of Kansas, pressured her to reveal information about Kansas D.A.
23.    Marc Dann (2008): Attorney General of Ohio, had an affair with a staffer.
24.    David Paterson (2008): Admitted that both he and his wife had extramarital affairs
25.    John Edwards (2008): Had an affair with a campaign employee while running for President.
26.    Kwame Kilpatrick (2008): Text messaging sex scandal
27.    Sam Adams (2009): Portland, OR mayor lied about relationship with 18-year-old male intern.
TALLY: 27

And I thought it was just Republicans. 

[Locutus]

And I thought it was just Republicans. 

The difference there is that the Democrats aren't the ones out there acting holier than thou and trying to cater to the religious right. 

[me]

The difference there is that the Democrats aren't the ones out there acting holier than thou and trying to cater to the religious right. 

Oh, so that makes it ok I guess huh? 

[mr. willy]

Can a D-e-m spell G-o-d?
Nothing is more transparent than inauthentic expressions of faith -- the politician who shows up at a black church around election time and claps, off rhythm, to the gospel choir. Secularists are wrong when they ask believers to leave their religion at the door before entering into the public square. To say that men and women should not inject their personal morality into public policy debates is a practical absurdity.

Those aren't my words. I'm quoting. And who am I quoting? You might guess an evangelical Christian leader. Perhaps even a Republican strategist or conservative lawmaker. But would guess a Democratic senator? Those are the words of Senator Barack Obama, addressing a bipartisan religious conference sponsored by Sojourners founder Rev. Jim Wallis.

Obama had strong words for the Democratic party, both in his speech and in an interview I conducted with him afterwards, about the party's historic aversion to talk about faith. Faith is a very big part of the life of many Americans, contends Obama, and for Democrats to not talk about religion or even try to understand a person's faith is to eliminate almost all possibility of communicating meaningfully with them.

Republicans are great at talking about faith. And they are rewarded for it. In 2004, white evangelicals counted for 23 percent of voters. And they broke overwhelmingly for President Bush. "The biggest mistake the Democrats have made is to cede the entire territory of religion and values to a religious and political right, who then narrow the issues to only two -- abortion and gay marriage -- and then manipulate them politically," says Jim Wallis.

Democrats are trying to correct the mistake. There is a movement afoot led by Obama, the new superstar of the Democratic Party, Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean and others to encourage party members to acknowledge faith as a means to broader communication. Whether it's for a Democratic politician to make public his or her own faith, or simply learn how to talk about it, party leaders believe it could be a foot in the door to get those exurban evangelicals to listen.

Democrats are also trying to expand the field of "moral" and "value" issues to include some of their strengths. For them to play, it needs to be about more than abortion and same-sex marriage. So they're attempting to making moral issues out of poverty, hunger, human rights and "creation care" (a new phrase for "environmentalism"), believing that if there is common ground on belief in the idea of moral values, there might be fertile ground to approach evangelicals on the Iraq war, the deficit and other issues.

Take Virginia Governor Tim Kaine, for example. He talked a lot about his personal religion during his election campaign. Not in terms of politics, but he let people know that he was a person for whom faith was important. He spoke of his mission in Honduras, and he talked about religion as part of his background. On faith issues, he sounded more like a Republican than a Democrat. No one questioned his sincerity. And wouldn't you know it, he won.

Many Democrats acknowledge that they have been the party of secularism for so long that they have alienated a significant part of the electorate. And they want to try to win those voters over. As Senator Obama pointed out, the majority of great reformers in American history -- Frederick Douglas, Abraham Lincoln, Williams Jennings Bryan, Dorothy Day and Martin Luther King among them -- were not only motivated by faith, but repeatedly used religious language to argue for their cause.

Now, certainly this is going to make secularists uncomfortable. They will argue about blurring the line between church and state. But some Democrats have their eyes on another line. The 50 percent line. And they know that unless they can peel off a portion of that growing segment of society that is firmly rooted in the South and now sweeping across the Midwest, they will likely remain the party of the minority and continue to see "red"in the White House.
Posted By John Roberts, CNN Senior Correspondent:

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog/2006/06/can-d-e-m-spell-g-o-d.html

The difference there is that the Democrats aren't the ones out there acting holier than thou and trying to cater to the religious right. [/quote

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog/2006/06/can-d-e-m-spell-g-o-d.html

[Palehorse]

Great. . . another republican parrot! 

[me]

Great. . . another republican parrot! 

But wouldn't it be boring if everyone had the same opinions and beliefs? 

[Sandy Eggo]

Not for you guys, you'd be happy-go-lucky

[mr. willy]

Great. . . another republican parrot! 

[me]

Not for you guys, you'd be happy-go-lucky

As would you if everyone thought like you did.   

[Sandy Eggo]

Actually, I'd be happy if everyone would just think.

[me]

Actually, I'd be happy if everyone would just think.

We all do it's just that we don't happen to think alike that is why we don't all agree on things.  Doesn't make anyone stupid or less knowledgeable we all have different ideas about what we want in life.  Two people with the same IQ can look at a job and go about doing it different doesn't make one way wrong just means that one of them had different goals in mind when they set out to do the job.  Some people will like one out come better than the other and some may change their minds about which outcome they liked best and some might not like either outcome but that is life. 

[mr. willy]

 If all  minds were to think alike we would never get anywhere, innovation would be stifled, and this country would not be as great as it is.  Think about it, what do you think would happen if everyone always agreed with everything?  There would never be discussion or debate about anything at all. 

[Palehorse]

Actually, I'd be happy if everyone would just think.

Exactly. Give me some validation that is real for your opinions and perspectives and I'll consider them. Just don't run around parroting lies. . .