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Started by Sandy Eggo, September 16, 2009, 06:58:37 AM

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Sandy Eggo

September 16, 2009, 06:58:37 AM
This got started in the "Random Thoughts" thread and I'd like to see where this discussion goes so I thought I'd move it here so that we don't disturb the nature of that thread.
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

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Sandy Eggo

#1
September 16, 2009, 06:58:47 AM
Quote from: Olias on September 15, 2009, 03:30:38 PM
Here's another 'celebrity' weighing in...

Of course he will be vilified for it.

"Obama Calls Kanye West a 'Jackass'"
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/15/obama-calls-kanye-west-jackass/
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

Sandy Eggo

#2
September 16, 2009, 06:59:59 AM
Quote from: me on September 15, 2009, 03:43:09 PM
Why should he be vilified for it?  He did, after all, state his feelings and they are pretty much what everyone else thinks. 
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

Sandy Eggo

#3
September 16, 2009, 07:01:18 AM
Quote from: Olias on September 15, 2009, 03:46:00 PM
Trust me ... when it makes the Faux News headlines, can World Nut Daily be far behind?
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

Sandy Eggo

#4
September 16, 2009, 07:02:57 AM
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on September 15, 2009, 04:35:01 PM
So it's okay to say Kanye is a jackass but not okay to say Crowley "acted stupidly".  I wonder why that is :think: :biggrin:

Just sayin....
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

Sandy Eggo

#5
September 16, 2009, 07:04:30 AM
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on September 15, 2009, 04:35:01 PM
So it's okay to say Kanye is a jackass but not okay to say Crowley "acted stupidly".  I wonder why that is :think: :biggrin:

Just sayin....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 15, 2009, 04:44:18 PM
because Kanye IS a jackass..............and Crowley acted accordingly....
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

Sandy Eggo

#6
September 16, 2009, 07:05:38 AM
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on September 15, 2009, 04:47:46 PM
So he can verbalize an opinion on one and not the other?
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

Sandy Eggo

#7
September 16, 2009, 07:07:53 AM
Quote from: Elaine on September 15, 2009, 07:03:56 PM
well, if crowley didnt voice his opinion like a mature adult, then he acted stupidly.

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on September 16, 2009, 06:54:27 AM
This doesn't answer the question. It doesn't matter what Crowley's opinion was. It doesn't matter that the two incidents are really different. What I'm asking is, why would Obama get a pass for having an opinion on one and not the other? Neither situation required presidential comment, however, he exercised his right as an American to free speech and gave an opinion.

I'd hate to think it's because in one situation he's defending a black man and in the other a white girl. One doesn't get a pass and the other does.
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

Sandy Eggo

#8
September 16, 2009, 07:10:05 AM
Quote from: pariann on September 15, 2009, 09:12:05 PM
Yeah...you really can't doubt televised footage...huh?

Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

Sandy Eggo

#9
September 16, 2009, 07:10:14 AM
Quote from: me on September 15, 2009, 08:57:48 PM
Um, how about he was aware of the circumstances of this situation and knew exactly what it was about and what happened? 

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on September 16, 2009, 06:50:51 AM
So, he knew exactly why Kanye acted the way he did? I doubt it.

He looked at the situation and gave his opinion.
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

Sandy Eggo

#10
September 16, 2009, 07:16:28 AM
Quote from: pariann on September 16, 2009, 07:04:36 AM
How about this, what Obama said was not meant for the public ears to hear. It was said off the record while doing CNBC interviews, ABC tweeted the comment without knowing that it was off the record.   I'm sure that there are MANY things that the President says that are not meant for public ears.   Let's take it one step further.  Maybe he wasn't defending a white girl, maybe he was defending women.  West humiliated two women that night, one black, and one white. 

In the former, when Obama expressed his opinion, it wasn't off the record, and he didn't know the details of the actions taken.

I don't know about getting a pass, but it looks to me that he wasn't speaking without thinking this time.

Sorry Pari, but nothing the president says is off the record. That's obvious by the article that inspired this discussion.

As far as knowing the details of the situation, he knows what we know, which may or may not be the entire story. Like the rest of us he formed an opinion.

I don't disagree with his assessment re: Kanye. Apparently, neither does the right wing because they're strangely quiet over his opinion on this incident. With the Crowley incident the right wing blogs went crazy with "He's the president of the United States...blah blah blah" implying that he doesn't deserve the right to opine on matters the rest of us are.

My opinion is that none of it matters. Either he has a right to an opinion or not and I find it suspicious that the reasoning used in the Crowley incident by the right wing could be applied to this situation and it's not. Why? So he is getting a pass and again, why?

Either he can speak freely about his opinions or not.
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

pariann

#11
September 16, 2009, 07:19:02 AM
Apparently there are things that are off the record.  Otherwise, why would ABC issue an apology for tweeting it?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090915/ts_afp/entertainmentuspoliticsobamamediainternettwitter_20090915220044
Looks like I've come full circle.

Sandy Eggo

#12
September 16, 2009, 07:19:40 AM
Quote from: me on September 15, 2009, 03:43:09 PM
Why should he be vilified for it?  He did, after all, state his feelings and they are pretty much what everyone else thinks. 

I missed this the first time, so as long as he doesn't think freely and his opinion is "pretty much what everyone else thinks" that's okay. He won't be vilified?
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

Sandy Eggo

#13
September 16, 2009, 07:23:55 AM
Quote from: pariann on September 16, 2009, 07:19:02 AM
Apparently there are things that are off the record.  Otherwise, why would ABC issue an apology for tweeting it?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090915/ts_afp/entertainmentuspoliticsobamamediainternettwitter_20090915220044

I'll stand corrected that perhaps he is able to have an off the record conversation, however, it's not off the record now.

I'm also standing by the thought that on or off the record doesn't matter. The venue isn't the issue, his rights are.
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

pariann

#14
September 16, 2009, 07:39:39 AM
I'm not going to be any challenge in this discussion.  Like everyone he is allowed to have his opinion.  But to the public, we hold people in places of authority to a higher standard.  Watch your p's and q's.  Be politically correct.  Don't offend your community or constituents. Don't hold any bias, be fair to all. Keep your opinions out of it, and be professional.  yada yada yada.   If only the public knew what he said behind his bedroom door when the lights go out. :spooked:
Looks like I've come full circle.
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