Wolf Hunt

[Sandy Eggo]

Well said PH and the visual you painted was breathtalking. I hope that I get an opportunity to see them in the wild like that someday.

[Henry Hawk]

Well said PH and the visual you painted was breathtalking. I hope that I get an opportunity to see them in the wild like that someday.

THAT is what he does so well...he just needs to learn to get paid for doing it.....

[followsthewolf]

IGNORANCE AND FANATICISM ARE RAVENOUS. THEY REQUIRE CONSTANT FEEDING!!!!!


My username should be an indicator of why I am shouting.

[me]

http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?news_iv_ctrl=1084&page=NewsArticle&id=5302

[followsthewolf]

Let's see.....

Farmers, ranchers, and miners out west have, for years, lived by the grace of governmental programs that have given huge tracts of land on which ranchers have been grazing cattle for years, miners have created "claims" on public land, and farmers have been the recipients of water resources created by  dams and reservoirs built with tax monies.

These super-duper "I carved out a living with my own two hands" people really didn't do so all alone; they have had the benefit of all kinds of government help along the way, (and still do benefit from the residual effects of long-standing programs) only they don't care to admit it.

Now we are beginning to realize the folly of the "carving out of nature" and "conquering nature" philosophies when they are taken to the extremes and we cause some species to become extinct.

So the priorities change.

Those who have secretly suckled at the governmental breast (and then yapped about how all those good-for-nothings that live off the government dole are the downfall of the country) are now feeling the effects of really and truly having to do it all themselves, instead of just mouthing the words.

The winds of change blow in many different directions.

[Palehorse]

Well said PH and the visual you painted was breathtalking. I hope that I get an opportunity to see them in the wild like that someday.

TYVM! I could have gone into further detail but needed to be brief due to an appointment. I swear it was one of the most breathtaking scenes I have personally witnessed in my life thus far, and the locals were quite jealous that my friends and I had actually seen them at the water's edge.
It is one of those Kodak moments that just hypnotize you. . . (To the point where you even forget you have cameras aboard! We had 3 and not one of us thought to snap a picture of it!) We saw them a time or two afterward, but never again as clearly and for as long as that initial time.

IGNORANCE AND FANATICISM ARE RAVENOUS. THEY REQUIRE CONSTANT FEEDING!!!!!


My username should be an indicator of why I am shouting.

Indeed. I felt that needed repeating!

[Palehorse]

Perhaps they should bring a few of these wolves to Indiana. Might help drive out some of the coyotes and do a better job of culling the festering ranks of the deer around here!

[LOsborne]

http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?news_iv_ctrl=1084&page=NewsArticle&id=5302

That's about fish from a government reservoir, not mousies on the farmer's privately held land. Not even close to a match. And if you want to talk about reservoirs, look at how farmer's on the Colorado pocketed a little extra jingle selling water rights to California.

http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_D_farmers30.3e5e77c.html

As with all "set-asides," sometimes ya make more not planting.

[LOsborne]

Perhaps they should bring a few of these wolves to Indiana. Might help drive out some of the coyotes and do a better job of culling the festering ranks of the deer around here!

Not to mention thinning out the chucacabras!

[me]

I have just as much of a problem with someone shooting a wolf as I have with letting a wolf rip a deer apart although I know they are doing it to survive and that it is a food source for the wolf.  This may not be just a do gooder group who wants to see everyone on a vegetarian diet but so many of them are its ridiculous.
I stated I had mixed emotions about the subject and I don't like organized hunts but did want to know what else they might do to alleviate the problem.  I guess I let something else, my dislike of groups like PITA, get the best of me and forgot this has nothing to do with the radical groups like that and they truly want to help.
Like I also stated we were privileged enough to own a wolf for a little over a year and they are wonderful animals if you happen to be in their pack and but they are dangerous if you aren't or threaten, or they think you are threatening, part of their pack.   I won't go into details of why we had him or anything else but I feel privileged that he accepted us and allowed us to be a part of his life and felt welcomed into our pack and safe with us. 
Heck it bothers me to watch the nature shows that show an animal attack another animal even though I know it's nature it still bothers me so why would I think an organized hunt is fine. 
I realize what I was saying appeared that I approved of them but you were all forgetting I stated I had mixed emotions about it and then I got off on to something else, which I should not have done, and it snowballed from there.  Hunting for survival is one thing but for sport is entirely another.  In a sense that hunt which this article is speaking of can be construed as either depending on a persons point of view.  If the hunters were to use the skins and the meat it would serve a purpose but if they are just going to pitch the carcass it is strictly for sport and should not be done.  Possibly another solution would be to put conditions on the licenses which are issued. 
I'm not good at putting my thoughts down like some here and there are times I see both sides of a topic but when the name calling and belittling starts it just totally closes my mind off to what you are saying because some can't do it in a civil manner.  No, I'm not saying Sandy did that but it did snowball and get off track after I mixed up issues for which I apologize and will try to watch it in the future.   
FTW, I understand more than you think I do but won't go into it on open forum.
PH has a real good solution.  Put them where they are needed to balance things out not a National Forrest.  That is, to me anyway, just a step up from captivity.     

[Sandy Eggo]

Really? What about a huge place like yellowstone?

[Sandy Eggo]

Although, I think PH's idea is excellent, but also that they'd be further protected in a national park/forest.

[me]

Really? What about a huge place like yellowstone?

I'm not sure about that one.  I have been to Yellowstone and I'm not sure it would be a safe as far as tourists are concerned.  I imagine there are wolves there just naturally but a lot of tourists are really stupid.  There are signs all over the place and you still see them get out of their cars and approach the buffalo and get off of trails.  Bears are a danger but I kind of think wolves might pose more of a danger if they seen it as their territory.  FTW or PH might be more help on that one. 

[pariann]

Not to mention thinning out the chucacabras!

Chupacabras

[Exterminator]

Bears are a danger but I kind of think wolves might pose more of a danger if they seen it as their territory.  FTW or PH might be more help on that one.

I can help; it's "saw".