Wolf Hunt

[Sandy Eggo]

me, I think this was in response to my avatar:

Just noticed your avatar and was curious but that's for another thread.

If so, my avatar is in response to this:

KPLU

IMO this is hunting for the sake of being cruel and blood-thirsty. Of course they claim that it's population regulation, but there's other ways to manipulate the population without killing, especially considering that wolves just came off the endangered list earlier this year.

I am against it. It serves no purpose except to feed the egos of "sport hunters". If they wanna consider themselves sporting, they should show up to the hunt armed with only what they were given the day they were born, like the wolf, and let mother nature determine the outcome.

[me]

I have mixed emotions on that.  Would you rather see the wolf population become large enough to be a threat to humans and livestock as well as pets?  What other way would you see it done? 

[Sandy Eggo]

I have mixed emotions on that.  Would you rather see the wolf population become large enough to be a threat to humans and livestock as well as pets?  What other way would you see it done? 

How about relocation?

The wolves were just taken off the endangered list so I don't think that they're remotely in danger of becoming such a large population that they'd be a threat to people, etc. However, if the wolves are or ever were a threat then it's the developers who are to blame and not the wolves. Wolves are behaving on survival instinct. Developers are taking more and more of their habitat to build unnecessary housing developments, strip malls, whatever, so of course they have to look for food because their own habitat and food supply has become limited. Move the wolves to other locations where they'll have a better chance, national parks are a good option, rather legalize a wolf massacre and call it wolf management.

[me]

Somehow I don't think it's all that easy.  I think a lot of these save the animal and wildlife groups put animals, rodents, and other wildlife above human life.   

[Sandy Eggo]

Somehow I don't think it's all that easy.  I think a lot of these save the animal and wildlife groups put animals, rodents, and other wildlife above human life.   

The rodents that you so easily dismiss feed the wolves and other large animals which otherwise have to look for food elsewhere. So, the food source is diminished and people want to whine because the wolves do what's natural to them.

How exactly would relocating them rather than slaughtering them be putting them above human life?

How many more house developments do we need?

How many more 7-11's will it take to say that we have enough?

How would "human life" be negatively impacted by reusing the abandoned strip malls?

Why is important for mankind to inhabit every last corner of the earth?


Why do we get to say that not giving these animals a chance is okay?

[me]

Hum, what about the farmers who can't plant because of some rodent being endangered?  A rodent endangered     Wolves eat bigger prey than rodents.  They eat cows, dogs, sheep, buffalo and larger things. 

[Sandy Eggo]

Hum, what about the farmers who can't plant because of some rodent being endangered?  A rodent endangered  

O'rly? I'd be interested in reading the entire story. Source?

  Wolves eat bigger prey than rodents.  They eat cows, dogs, sheep, buffalo and larger things. 

Might wanna check your facts before you assume.

http://www.wolfweb.com/diet.html


They eat what is available and if they can't get rodents or even larger game because of encroachment,then they might make a snack outta your poodle. Whose fault is that? Not the Wolves. Talk to the poachers and developers.

[me]

O'rly? I'd be interested in reading the entire story. Source?

Might wanna check your facts before you assume.

http://www.wolfweb.com/diet.html


They eat what is available and if they can't get rodents or even larger game because of encroachment,then they might make a snack outta your poodle. Whose fault is that? Not the Wolves. Talk to the poachers and developers.

I seen no where in that article where they ate a mouse by choice or what they prefer.  I didn't say the didn't eat mice I was laughing at mice being endangered.  Wolves are beautiful animals but they are also dangerous animals and a farmer or person who lives away from civilization should not be put in a position of having to wait until they are rounded up and taken elsewhere nor would it be safe for those in the populated areas if they are starting to venture into them.  Yes, it is cruel but necessary.  We had a wolf for about a year and he was a wonderful animal and very loving but he was a tame one and very well trained.  Like I said I have mixed emotions about it.  I hate that it has to be done that way but it is the fastest best solution.  You and others seem to forget we, humans, need to live too and therefore need to develope land.  We need food so we have to have farms to raise it on, and we need buildings to live in.  As the population grows we need more and when there are too many of us Mother Nature shakes some of us off which is her way of controlling population.   If a wild animal were to threaten you or your daughter can you honestly tell me you wouldn't shoot it?

[pariann]

I think the difference there is that it wouldn't be for sport, it would be immediate survival.  Unlike what she is saying, which sounds like organized shooting.

[LOsborne]

Hum, what about the farmers who can't plant because of some rodent being endangered?

Are we all going to let me get by with this absurdity? I see Sandy asked for a source. Now I will. What farmer? Where? When? Stop making it up as you go along. And stop acting like you never said it when you get called on the fantasy.

[Bo D]

Are we all going to let me get by with this absurdity? I see Sandy asked for a source. Now I will. What farmer? Where? When? Stop making it up as you go along. And stop acting like you never said it when you get called on the fantasy.

Like "grapes can't grow in England"

[Sandy Eggo]

How much more land needs to be developed for our survival? at what point does it end and what is the real cost?

The amount of time that it would take to tranquilize and relocate the wolves wouldn't be more than hunting them down to slaughter them. So, making it sound like the farmers would be unreasonably inconvenienced isn't acceptable because it doesn't even pass the common sense test.

Coming into open and populated lands to hunt is a last resort for wolves and according to statistics not as common as propogandists would lead you to believe.

www.//fwp.mt.gov/wildthings/wolf/human.html

www.defenders.org/programs_and_policy/wildlife_conservation/solutions/wolf_compensation_trust/wolf_predation_and_livestock_losses.php

[Exterminator]

I have mixed emotions on that.  Would you rather see the wolf population become large enough to be a threat to humans and livestock as well as pets?  What other way would you see it done?

This raises an interesting question since your ilk seems to have absolutely no issue with the human population becoming so large that it poses a threat to virtually every other species on the planet.  I say we have a human hunt...how freakin' fun would that be!

[Exterminator]

Are we all going to let me get by with this absurdity? I see Sandy asked for a source. Now I will. What farmer? Where? When? Stop making it up as you go along. And stop acting like you never said it when you get called on the fantasy.

You're arguing with a moron who pulls "facts" out of her fat ass.  Think about it.   

[Palehorse]

The northern tier of states in the midwest, need more wolves. I recall seeing one of the first wild packs relocated to the Oneida county area of Wisconsin 10-12 years ago. It was night and we were returning to the cabin after a rather successful evening of hunting walleye.

A storm had blown in and it was pitch black out. As we approached the shoreline I fired up the outboard lights to help visual navigation and there they were! Eyes glowing in the dark. They followed us along the shore line for a bit, then must have got a whiff of us and were off in a flash.

They've flourished there but are still unable to cull the deer populations at an acceptable rate from what I've been able to determine thus far.

They are beautiful creatures, and while I am a hunter I only kill what I am going to eat. I could never kill a wolf unless it threatened a human life.

Relocate them!