Here is what Obama's health care plan means to New Yorkers...

[Elaine]

I don't know; should we go ahead and move the alcoholics to the top of the liver transplant list?  What's that?  Oh, I see, we've been making decisions like this all along, now haven't we?

I'll do my part by researching them privately.   

okay, i agree with the alcoholic thing, we do profile them. but it doesnt make it okay, now does it?  because i see these people daily, and i care about them whether or not they made crappy choices, i see them as individuals who will pay a deadly price. and i still think it is genocide, or survival of the most fit.

and please dont research those pharmaceuticals too often, i would hate to see you at my work.

[Exterminator]

I'm not spreading any lies....I'm stating MY belief.....based upon common sense...

Bullshit.  I can say that the a health care system will make every American wealthy; can you prove it won't?  And you have no common sense.

you are real good at talking crap....prove how this is going to be a good thing or STFU

It'll be a wonderful thing for all of the children who currently can't afford medical attention.  You know the ones...they're the kids who you claim to care so much about when they're in the womb but couldn't give a crap about once they've been born.

[Bo D]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/21/AR2009072102961.html

Imperfect Health Reform Still Beats the Status Quo

By Steven Pearlstein
Wednesday, July 22, 2009

Among the range of options for health-care reform, there's one that is sure to raise your taxes, increase your out-of-pocket medical expenses, swell the federal deficit, leave more Americans without insurance and guarantee that wages will remain stagnant.

That's the option of doing nothing, letting things continue to drift as they have for the past two decades as we continue to search in vain for the perfect plan that would let everyone have everything they want and preserve everything they already have while getting someone else to pay for it.

So the next time you hear someone throwing a hissy fit because health reform might raise taxes on some people, or steer people into managed care, or require small businesses to contribute $2 a day for each employee's coverage, just remember to ask yourself: And that's compared with what?

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Steven Pearlstein is an American columnist. He writes a column on business and the economy that is published twice weekly in The Washington Post. In 2008 Pearlstein received the Pulitzer Prize for Commentary for "his insightful columns that explore the nation's complex economic ills with masterful clarity," at The Washington Post.

[me]

Anyone can choose not to pay the tax on cigarettes.

Ok, so if the smokers quit smoking then what is going to be taxed?  They're already saying the tax on tobacco isn't enough and are considering taxing sugared products.  If it's so great why is England considering charging for services now too on top of the heavy tax they already pay for their health care?  Why are all the countries that have "free" health care saying we're silly for even thinking about it?

[Exterminator]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/21/AR2009072102961.html

Good article and here is the part the simpletons have trouble grasping: "The right way to think about health reform is to consider its impact on the whole economy, not just on the government. "

[Exterminator]

Ok, so if the smokers quit smoking then what is going to be taxed?

If they stop smoking, the medical costs associated with that habit also stop, ergo, the overall costs shrink with the associated decline in revenue.  It really isn't that difficult a concept.

They're already saying the tax on tobacco isn't enough and are considering taxing sugared products.

Really?  Show me where it has gone from being discussed to actually being considered.  The two aren't the same.

If it's so great why is England considering charging for services now too on top of the heavy tax they already pay for their health care?  Why are all the countries that have "free" health care saying we're silly for even thinking about it?

Now you're just spouting bullshit...again.

[Philodox]

Good article and here is the part the simpletons have trouble grasping: "The right way to think about health reform is to consider its impact on the whole economy, not just on the government. "

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For once you make sense... NOW... throw the NHC plan in the trash... You haven't read it.

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[me]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/21/AR2009072102961.html

Imperfect Health Reform Still Beats the Status Quo

By Steven Pearlstein
Wednesday, July 22, 2009

Among the range of options for health-care reform, there's one that is sure to raise your taxes, increase your out-of-pocket medical expenses, swell the federal deficit, leave more Americans without insurance and guarantee that wages will remain stagnant.

That's the option of doing nothing, letting things continue to drift as they have for the past two decades as we continue to search in vain for the perfect plan that would let everyone have everything they want and preserve everything they already have while getting someone else to pay for it.

So the next time you hear someone throwing a hissy fit because health reform might raise taxes on some people, or steer people into managed care, or require small businesses to contribute $2 a day for each employee's coverage, just remember to ask yourself: And that's compared with what?

.....

Steven Pearlstein is an American columnist. He writes a column on business and the economy that is published twice weekly in The Washington Post. In 2008 Pearlstein received the Pulitzer Prize for Commentary for "his insightful columns that explore the nation's complex economic ills with masterful clarity," at The Washington Post.

Oh yeah, a commentator would really know huh?  Isn't that what you say if one of us puts an opinion piece on here?  Pearlstein is an idiot.

[Bo D]

Pearlstein is an idiot.

I'll be sure and relay your opinion to the Pulitzer committee.

[me]

I'll be sure and relay your opinion to the Pulitzer committee.

You do that and give Carter and Bore my regards too.    I think an accountant would have just a little more insight as to what the impact of this health care thing is going to cost tax payers than someone who writes opinion columns though.  Like you and the others have reminded us of so often, an opinion is just that an opinion.  Give us fact. 

[Bo D]

Give us fact. 

You want facts? Here's one - grapes can be grown in England. 

And .. oh, yeah ... tell Henry that those prison photos were from Europe.

You wouldn't know a fact if it smacked you between your close-set eyes.

[me]

You want facts? Here's one - grapes can be grown in England. 

And .. oh, yeah ... tell Henry that those prison photos were from Europe.

You wouldn't know a fact if it smacked you between your close-set eyes.

And that has what to do with this?  Quit changing the subject. 

[Bo D]

And that has what to do with this?  Quit changing the subject. 

It has everything to do with the subject. You post your little lies from that garbage pit you call your In-box and then you question the opinion of a Pulitzer Prize winning author and call him an idiot. Look in the mirror.

[Exterminator]

It has everything to do with the subject. You post your little lies from that garbage pit you call your In-box and then you question the opinion of a Pulitzer Prize winning author and call him an idiot. Look in the mirror.

She can't even spell Pulitzer.

[me]

It has everything to do with the subject. You post your little lies from that garbage pit you call your In-box and then you question the opinion of a Pulitzer Prize winning author and call him an idiot. Look in the mirror.

No, it's you changing the subject again to deflect off of the fact that I called you on posting an "opinion piece" as fact.  I don't care how many awards he's gotten for his style of writing it's still just an opinion piece.