Here is what Obama's health care plan means to New Yorkers...

[me]

Have you paid a utility bill lately?  Do you smoke? 

[pariann]

But that has little to do with the bail outs and the possible cost of health care to the taxpayers. 

Utilities are a local cost.  What do the rates we pay for them have to do with paying on the debt for credit the federal government is running up?

[Exterminator]

That's the problem.  Too many people aren't paying attention to what's going on.

LMAO!  Like you have some deep understanding that most don't?  You're seriously delusional.

[Exterminator]

Utilities are a local cost.  What do the rates we pay for them have to do with paying on the debt for credit the federal government is running up?

Nothing; she doesn't have a clue what she's talking about.

[me]

But that has little to do with the bail outs and the possible cost of health care to the taxpayers. 

Utilities are a local cost.  What do the rates we pay for them have to do with paying on the debt for credit the federal government is running up?

Maybe not on the utilities, yet, but the most recent tax on the cigarettes is a direct result of the health care and is a federal tax on top of the state tax. 

[Henry Hawk]

Maybe not on the utilities, yet, but the most recent tax on the cigarettes is a direct result of the health care and is a federal tax on top of the state tax. 

It is also...ANOTHER...broken promise by Obama, stating...."If you're a family that's making $250,000 a year or less you will see no increase in your taxes. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your personal gains tax, not any of your taxes."..

[pariann]

I believe this thread is about what the future health plan will cost the taxpayers in terms of their income before 'in pocket' or 'profit'.  If a taxpayer wishes to not contribute to the current health plan that is in place for children of low income and poor families, they can much easier choose NOT to smoke cigarettes, than to not work or own a business that may be taxed.

[Henry Hawk]

I believe this thread is about what the future health plan will cost the taxpayers in terms of their income before 'in pocket' or 'profit'.  If a taxpayer wishes to not contribute to the current health plan that is in place for children of low income and poor families, they can much easier choose NOT to smoke cigarettes, than to not work or own a business that may be taxed.

I 100% agree with you Pari.......but, the fact IS, he broke yet another promise, that he campaigned on.....this health care IS going to cost ALL Americans....not just the rich, like EX thinks....EVERYBODY...and I believe it is going to hurt America MORE than it is going to help.

[Elaine]

and who will make the decisions regarding what person receives medical care.  will some people be considered "too old" or "too fat", or will a smoker be denied health care because of a bad habit (one that funds medical care), or a person with disabilities such as downs syndrome, ms, lupus, etc.
could this be the american answer to genocide?

and another thing, abortion....we all will fund that, if my understanding is correct.  now i believe that every person has a choice in that arena, but i also believe that if it is your choice, you should pay for it.

and how will drug research be funded? even now, research is very limited, most drug companies are advertising old products, with name changes, they are not new drugs. some appearance changes, but the chemical compounds remain the same.  one that comes to mind is ambien.  was a disastrous failure the first time around, but advertising made it a popular choice as a sleep aid. 

i worry about my grandchildren and children.  what legacy am i leaving to them. the time is past when the kids inherit the farm. 

[Exterminator]

Maybe not on the utilities, yet, but the most recent tax on the cigarettes is a direct result of the health care and is a federal tax on top of the state tax.

And considering the disproportionate burden on the health care system by smokers is absolutely reasonable.

[Exterminator]

It is also...ANOTHER...broken promise by Obama, stating...."If you're a family that's making $250,000 a year or less you will see no increase in your taxes. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your personal gains tax, not any of your taxes."..

Anyone can choose not to pay the tax on cigarettes.

[Exterminator]

I 100% agree with you Pari.......but, the fact IS, he broke yet another promise, that he campaigned on.....this health care IS going to cost ALL Americans....not just the rich, like EX thinks....EVERYBODY...and I believe it is going to hurt America MORE than it is going to help.

There you go spreading those lies again...or can you show us the specifics of the plan that support your claim?

[Exterminator]

and who will make the decisions regarding what person receives medical care.  will some people be considered "too old" or "too fat", or will a smoker be denied health care because of a bad habit

I don't know; should we go ahead and move the alcoholics to the top of the liver transplant list?  What's that?  Oh, I see, we've been making decisions like this all along, now haven't we?

and how will drug research be funded?

I'll do my part by researching them privately.   

[Henry Hawk]

There you go spreading those lies again...or can you show us the specifics of the plan that support your claim?

No!...You show me WHO is going to pay for this, and how it will NOT effect ALL Americans in some shape, way or form.....and HOW this plan is going to help our economy.....other than hurt it.

I'm not spreading any lies....I'm stating MY belief.....based upon common sense...

you are real good at talking crap....prove how this is going to be a good thing or STFU

[pariann]

LOL, now you know you should spell and typo check BEFORE you hit that button the first time.  As I am typing this, I still see "my part my"....though quoting shows you changed it already. LOL

I'll do my part by researching them privately.