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Here is what Obama's health care plan means to New Yorkers...

Started by Henry Hawk, July 17, 2009, 08:30:24 AM

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Henry Hawk

July 17, 2009, 08:30:24 AM
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Henry Hawk

#1
July 17, 2009, 08:39:15 AM
Obama once said....that ANYONE making LESS than $200,000 will NOT have ANY increase in taxes.... :confused: :no:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#2
July 17, 2009, 10:11:44 AM
I can create a graphic and put a bunch of numbers into it to make it look like the end result of Obama's health care plan will double everyone's take home pay and it wouldn't be any more or less bullshit than this cute little picture you found.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#3
July 17, 2009, 10:47:52 AM
There is no bullshit here.....it simply states the amount of taxes that New Yorkers WILL HAVE to pay AFTER  the proposed Health-care plan takes effect...
...I would LOVE to see your "little" graphic....now THAT would be bullshit.   :yes:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#4
July 17, 2009, 11:07:48 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 17, 2009, 10:47:52 AM
There is no bullshit here.....it simply states the amount of taxes that New Yorkers WILL HAVE to pay AFTER  the proposed Health-care plan takes effect...
...I would LOVE to see your "little" graphic....now THAT would be bullshit.   :yes:

Please show me the health plan in which the percentages used for that crap exist.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

me

#5
July 17, 2009, 11:08:32 AM
Can you imagine what it would be if the tax rates go up which you know they will? :eek:
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Henry Hawk

#6
July 17, 2009, 11:18:04 AM
Quote from: Exterminator on July 17, 2009, 11:07:48 AM
Please show me the health plan in which the percentages used for that crap exist.

No, You are so DAMNED sure that Obama is a SAINT.....time will tell the truth....we will just sit back and watch what happens EX.....We will SEE if EVERYBODY making under $200,000 dollars will NOT see a huge increase in their taxes....
IF business' will NOT be forced to lay people off, because of penalties or because they HAVE to now pay for healthcare....

let's wait and see.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#7
July 17, 2009, 12:19:23 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 17, 2009, 11:18:04 AM
No, You are so DAMNED sure that Obama is a SAINT.....time will tell the truth....we will just sit back and watch what happens EX.....We will SEE if EVERYBODY making under $200,000 dollars will NOT see a huge increase in their taxes....
IF business' will NOT be forced to lay people off, because of penalties or because they HAVE to now pay for healthcare....

let's wait and see.

This is fairly simple, Henry.  You claim this is the truth so you must have access to details about a health care plan that supports these figures.  If you don't, you're doing nothing more than propagating Rush Limpballs lies which exposes you as a liar as well...again.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

me

#8
July 17, 2009, 01:55:03 PM
Ya know EX you're supposed to be so smart I'm just wondering something.  Since it has been common knowledge what the cost for this health care plan is just exactly where do you think the money is going to come from if not taxes?  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the cost per person and then go from there to figure out what it will cost in added taxes to the select few Obama has chosen to tax.  Also they have already mentioned the tax penalty on businesses which do not pay for employee health care. It also doesn't take a degree to figure out that all of us are going to get hit hard in the end if this gets passed.  This free health care is going to cost us a chunk of change any way you slice it and also there will be no more actual free care provided by Ronald McDonald house, Shriner's, Lion's Clubs, and various other organizations. 
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Exterminator

#9
July 17, 2009, 02:13:28 PM
Quote from: me on July 17, 2009, 01:55:03 PM
Ya know EX you're supposed to be so smart I'm just wondering something.  Since it has been common knowledge what the cost for this health care plan is just exactly where do you think the money is going to come from if not taxes?

That isn't what is being discussed here.  What is being discussed is whether or not the graphic Henry provided is an accurate representation of how those costs will be covered.  I would submit that it does not; what it represents is a combination of the worst ideas that have been thrown around (many of which have already been abandoned) and puts them all together to paint a worst possible scenario picture which is then gobbled up by the ignorant and feeble minded and presented as fact.

QuoteIt doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the cost per person and then go from there to figure out what it will cost in added taxes to the select few Obama has chosen to tax.

Really?  Then you can provide those figures?

QuoteAlso they have already mentioned the tax penalty on businesses which do not pay for employee health care.

They've mentioned a lot of possible revenue sources, some good, some bad; doesn't make the cute little picture any less of an outright lie.

QuoteIt also doesn't take a degree to figure out that all of us are going to get hit hard in the end if this gets passed.  This free health care is going to cost us a chunk of change any way you slice it and also there will be no more actual free care provided by Ronald McDonald house, Shriner's, Lion's Clubs, and various other organizations.

Look, you've already shown your ignorance on this subject and been soundly spanked over the whole Canadian health care system conversation.  Why not just quit while you're ahead and have fun in a thread that's better suited to your intellect.  Might I suggest, "Last One Wins"?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#10
July 17, 2009, 03:01:05 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on July 17, 2009, 12:19:23 PM
This is fairly simple, Henry.  You claim this is the truth so you must have access to details about a health care plan that supports these figures.  If you don't, you're doing nothing more than propagating Rush Limpballs lies which exposes you as a liar as well...again.

Yes it is very simple.....I claim the truth, based upon...Figures compiled by Gary Milkwick of the Tax Club, a New York City tax and accounting firm. Calculations are based on current tax rates. 2011 numbers from the Tax Foundation.....you prove that it is a lie....what does Rush Limbaugh have to do with it?  :confused:

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#11
July 17, 2009, 03:31:21 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 17, 2009, 03:01:05 PM
Yes it is very simple.....I claim the truth, based upon...Figures compiled by Gary Milkwick of the Tax Club, a New York City tax and accounting firm. Calculations are based on current tax rates. 2011 numbers from the Tax Foundation.....you prove that it is a lie....what does Rush Limbaugh have to do with it?  :confused:

All you've provided is a text version of the same baseless numbers provided in your cute little picture.  I want you to show me the legislation being proposed that results in the policies that produce those numbers.  In accounting, it's called an audit trail and here's how this works...when the auditors come and they want to look at the books and see the numbers and calculations that resulted in a particular figure, we don't say to them, "you prove the figure isn't right;" we show them the numbers and the calculation.  You can't provide what I'm asking for because it doesn't exist...your graphic is a lie and you are a liar for spreading it...gullible as all get out for believing such bullshit without an iota of substance but a liar nonetheless.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#12
July 17, 2009, 04:13:54 PM
well, time will tell the truth.....we WILL see what happens, but it is obvious, that taxes will increase and penalties will be enforced to pay for Healthcare.....

I don't think it is gullibility for posting this crap on a forum....it is gullible of YOU to get your panties in a wad and call out other posters as liars.........get a grip pal.... :razz:

the posts I make are opinions based upon my own reasons.....they may be from the heart or they may be done to simply have fun with OTHER GULLIBLE posters (I won't mention any names)...which I have done on many occasions... ;)  If you don't like it.....quit replying to my posts.

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Bo D

#13
July 17, 2009, 04:36:17 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 17, 2009, 04:13:54 PM
OTHER GULLIBLE posters

Like the ones who say grapes can't grow in England? Or the one who post pictures of a prison in Europe and claim it's a U.S. prison?
:biggrin:
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

me

#14
July 17, 2009, 04:54:36 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on July 17, 2009, 02:13:28 PM
That isn't what is being discussed here.  What is being discussed is whether or not the graphic Henry provided is an accurate representation of how those costs will be covered.  I would submit that it does not; what it represents is a combination of the worst ideas that have been thrown around (many of which have already been abandoned) and puts them all together to paint a worst possible scenario picture which is then gobbled up by the ignorant and feeble minded and presented as fact.

Really?  Then you can provide those figures?

They've mentioned a lot of possible revenue sources, some good, some bad; doesn't make the cute little picture any less of an outright lie.

Look, you've already shown your ignorance on this subject and been soundly spanked over the whole Canadian health care system conversation.  Why not just quit while you're ahead and have fun in a thread that's better suited to your intellect.  Might I suggest, "Last One Wins"?
Ok wise guy.  Where do you think the money to fund this fantastic health care is going to come from?  Just exactly who's ass are they going to pick it out of if not ours?
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