Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity With New 'Intelligent Falling' Theory

[Palehorse]

......and I'm the ditsy blond?

I sincerely beg to differ.

Remember, YOU said that. . . 

[pariann]

Don't take it out of context. There was a question mark there.

You are all a bunch of goofballs.  I love it, NOW I'm being entertained.   Anyone got any extra peanuts? 

[Palehorse]

Don't take it out of context. There was a question mark there.

You are all a bunch of goofballs.  I love it, NOW I'm being entertained.   Anyone got any extra peanuts?

[followsthewolf]

Sad part is........

some of the students have arrived at my lab actually believing similar theories.

Yes, indeed, the kool-aid is strong.

Sorry for the interruption.

Please, by all means, carry on.   

[pariann]

I can see them believing that God creates the attributes of science, (damn I hope I said what I meant) but for them to believe that God is running around pushing things down.....is a bit much to believe.

[Exterminator]

Wasn't this in a 'Friends' episode?

[LOsborne]

Sad part is........

some of the students have arrived at my lab actually believing similar theories.

FTW, you need to explain the alternate theory to them. To wit: there is no such thing as gravity. The earth just sucks.

[Henry Hawk]

Actually, gravity at one time was not as we know it today....It ONCE was a form of a thermo dynamical Solar Blackbody...but over the course of 1.6 Billion years it has evolved into the coalesce matter that is being dispersed as we now know it.  At one time the Earth, it's neighboring planets and other macroscopic objects was rifling aimlessly throughout   this universe.  But over the course of time, it evolouted from thousands of stages of thermodynamics to what we NOW understand as gravity...and by all means, this is NO theory... it is based upon facts...and should be taught in schools across this country. 

[Exterminator]

WTF?

[pariann]

Actually, gravity at one time was not as we know it today....It ONCE was a form of a thermo dynamical Solar Blackbody...but over the course of 1.6 Billion years it has evolved into the coalesce matter that is being dispersed as we now know it.  At one time the Earth, it's neighboring planets and other macroscopic objects was rifling aimlessly throughout   this universe.  But over the course of time, it evolouted from thousands of stages of thermodynamics to what we NOW understand as gravity...and by all means, this is NO theory... it is based upon facts...and should be taught in schools across this country. 

Okay, I have no freaking clue what you just said...BUT I do see that number in there.  1.6 billion years.  How do you resolve that with the Bible.  If God created the heavens and earth....why did he wait so freaking many years to populate it?  And trust me, 1.6 billion, is a LOT of years.

[Palehorse]

Okay, I have no freaking clue what you just said...BUT I do see that number in there.  1.6 billion years.  How do you resolve that with the Bible.  If God created the heavens and earth....why did he wait so freaking many years to populate it?  And trust me, 1.6 billion, is a LOT of years.

Here's my take:

One of the most common arguments against evolution, as well as my own theory surrounding the melding of evolution and creation, is the whole "God created the heavens, the universe, and all within it in 7 days" passage that is contained within the "tool", (known to the zealots as "The Bible") Let's take a few minutes to really think this whole concept through.

A "man" sits down to document his perception of just how all of "this" came to be. Again, during the time when this is performed the man has no conception of space, the universe, the laws of physics, etc., etc.. And time itself (as we know it today) is a human creation; a measurement created by humankind that did not exist until we came up with it. There were no "divine clocks" and before the earth came to "be" there was no sun or moon to rise and fall. The seconds, minutes, and hours with which we measure each day did not exist until humankind created them. The creator had no need for these things, and unless there is a zealot amongst you that is willing to jump up and say that the creator handed these things to us, it leads to a simple question; when this guy wrote about "Genesis", how was he able to determine how "long" it took for the creator to accomplish it?

Now I know what some of you are thinking, "Divine inspiration", but while I am not above believing such can transpire I still find myself unwilling to just accept such an offhand way of dismissing the question. I believe the most likely explanation can be found in a "man" telling a "story" and using the words of the day to tell it. But let's take this a step or two further.

Perhaps the creator did create all that is in "seven days", but by what measure? Why, by the creator's measure of course. Since "time" as we know it is a human concept and did not exist before we created it, we cannot automatically extend the scale of measurement back to the point of origin for this planet, much less the universe. We could, but it drastically skew the reality of things, just as it has since its inception. Even if we stipulate that the "man" only wrote down what the "creator" told him to via some mystical means of communication or divine inspiration, the meaning of "days" is still in question since it meant to the man only that the cycle of day and night transpired.

It just appears to me to make much more sense that "time" as we know it is not the same as time from a creator's perspective. The scale has to be much larger! For example, we already know that the earth is around 4.5 billion years old, and the scientific evidence suggests the emergence of the first "humans" about 2 million years ago. 2 million "years" in the human measurement of time! So if we mark the first appearance of "man" as the end of the "7" day period of creation what is this telling us?

912,500,000,000 - human days between the formation of the earth and the appearance of the first man.

1,642,500,000,000 - human days since the earth was created. (Approximately)

912,500,000,000 human days divided by the 7 days = 130,357,142,857

Making the conversion from creation time to human time: 1 creator day = 130,357,142,857 human days.

Using this conversion factor this would mean that from the perspective of the creator the amount of time that has passed since he began the creation of all that "is", and right now, 13 days. 13 days since the earth was born.

If the man who wrote Genesis was divinely inspired then a whole lot was lost in the conversion of "days" from the creator's perspective to the human perspective. And if this even is close to being the correct conversion, then it allows for the evolutionary process to be a part of the creation process. It accounts for the various species and their evolvement into those plants, animals, minerals, etc. that we know them as today. It provides for the "time" necessary to let this happen. In addition, if this conversion factor is true, it makes one wonder why, (if 2012 is indeed the end of the earth), the creator would impose such a short expiration date upon his creation doesn't it? (From the creators perspective of time that is).

Of course this begs yet another question; was the first emergence of man the end of the seven day period, or must we take into account man's evolutionary period as well?  And is that evolutionary process completed? (It would be a fractional amount at this point in any case, and I'll leave that up to you math freaks to figure out). . .

[Exterminator]

A well thought out albeit lengthy post.  The more likely answer, however, is that it's all bullshit (Ockham's razor).

[Palehorse]

A well thought out albeit lengthy post.  The more likely answer, however, is that it's all bullshit (Ockham's razor).

Yup! 

[pariann]

1.6 billion years ago.......

2 million years ago.   

STILL a lot of years between the creation of heaven and earth, and populating it.

[Palehorse]

1.6 billion years ago.......

2 million years ago.   

STILL a lot of years between the creation of heaven and earth, and populating it.

What are years when you exist in eternity? 

Years and "time" are of human creation. . .