Womb Days

[Palehorse]

I know most of what you believe PH.    Didn't mean to make you the target of discussion.    But how come Dan poked at me and not you?  Has he not been reading your thoughts and belief on when the 'soul' enters the body?

I dunno, but I am over it. 

Unlike others I do not care if anyone else believe's as I do. . . and when the opposition will not even read through your responses and information, or give it any consideration, what is the point but discourse?

[LOsborne]

2. Right. (if "winds" = wins and "doe" = does) 

I told you, dammit, that was B.C. (Before Coffee)

[pariann]

And that was the ONLY reason I chose not to correct your post. 

In case you didn't know, in many places I am the spelling and grammar nazi.  Worse than Exterminator.  I've just been a little off my game lately.

[LOsborne]

And that was the ONLY reason I chose not to correct your post.

You are a true lady, pariann. You understand that no one should be held responsible for anything that happens pre-caffeine.

I never get real bent out of shape about spelling and grammar errors on a board like this. Nobody here is getting paid. However, I am one of those wicked witches who will post a badly spelled and punctuated resume on the bulletin board.

[Elaine]

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations." (Jeremiah 1:5)

How could someone be known by God in the womb if God had not given that person a soul and mind and spirit which makes that person a human being?


With the idea in mind that the Bible is the foundation of belief, then an unborn child does indeed, have a soul.
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According to pre-Islamic folklore, the well of souls was a place where the voices of the dead could be heard along with the sounds of the Rivers of Paradise, as, according to the folklore, the cave is located on top of the Abyss of Chaos; the cave is now known to have no exit apart from those leading to the surface of the Sakhrah, and the sounds have been argued to be a resonance effect similar to hearing the sea from seashells. The well of souls is sometimes conflated with the guf, a location in Jewish mythology, where the souls of the not-yet-born are stored, though the guf is usually considered to be a more heavenly location than an earth-bound one.

And if you believe in Jewish mythology, then the soul is given at birth.

[dan foster]

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations." (Jeremiah 1:5)

How could someone be known by God in the womb if God had not given that person a soul and mind and spirit which makes that person a human being?


With the idea in mind that the Bible is the foundation of belief, then an unborn child does indeed, have a soul.
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According to pre-Islamic folklore, the well of souls was a place where the voices of the dead could be heard along with the sounds of the Rivers of Paradise, as, according to the folklore, the cave is located on top of the Abyss of Chaos; the cave is now known to have no exit apart from those leading to the surface of the Sakhrah, and the sounds have been argued to be a resonance effect similar to hearing the sea from seashells. The well of souls is sometimes conflated with the guf, a location in Jewish mythology, where the souls of the not-yet-born are stored, though the guf is usually considered to be a more heavenly location than an earth-bound one.

And if you believe in Jewish mythology, then the soul is given at birth.

Probably has a lot to do with the fact that the bible is bunk; made up stuff by weak minded humans.

[Locutus]

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According to pre-Islamic folklore, the well of souls was a place where the voices of the dead could be heard along with the sounds of the Rivers of Paradise, as, according to the folklore, the cave is located on top of the Abyss of Chaos; the cave is now known to have no exit apart from those leading to the surface of the Sakhrah, and the sounds have been argued to be a resonance effect similar to hearing the sea from seashells. The well of souls is sometimes conflated with the guf, a location in Jewish mythology, where the souls of the not-yet-born are stored, though the guf is usually considered to be a more heavenly location than an earth-bound one.

And if you believe in Jewish mythology, then the soul is given at birth.

Since this thread sprang from the Tiller thread, the question is further begged regarding why the anti-abortionists are so fuggin' worried about aborted fetuses.  If they indeed have a soul, and god tends to that soul without having it be faced with the trials and tribulations of this life, then why not let god tend to gods business and stop using your religion as a justification to stick your nose into the business of others?   Nobody has answered that simple question in a reasonable manner since the first time I asked it.

[mcgonser]

Or the bible is Gods word for us. You just don't have the faith to believe so you trash it all. I just wonder does it make you feel smarter? or what? I find it interesting that the unbelievers are actually more vocal and hateful about religion. Why the attitude of not letting people believe what they want or not. It is no skin off you nose and really should not make a difference. Go on your way, but let others go their own way to.  For your info a small percent of people could afford slaves and only a part of them were christians. There you go again, painting every christian with the same brush. I would think you could grow up and get over this fixation.

[Locutus]

Or the bible is Gods word for us. You just don't have the faith to believe so you trash it all.

The bible is a collection of stories written by people who largely believed the earth was flat.  Why would anyone with a modicum of intelligence abdicate their intellect to blind faith?  It's almost as ridiculous me painting a square on a piece of paper and telling you that if you have blind faith, you'll believe that it's a circle. 

I just wonder does it make you feel smarter? or what?

Actually, it not only makes him feel smarter, it makes him smarter.  The evidence is replete in this and other venues that nonbelievers know far more about Christianity and it's origins and history, than those who routinely profess it in these on line discussion forums. 

I find it interesting that the unbelievers are actually more vocal and hateful about religion. Why the attitude of not letting people believe what they want or not. It is no skin off you nose and really should not make a difference. Go on your way, but let others go their own way to. 

Despite what you may choose to believe, it is skin off our nose.  Religion has been and remains a huge setback to our collective advancement as a species.  It forces people in large measure to turn off their brains.  Furthermore, from the Crusades, to slavery, to the Spanish Inquisition, to the Holocaust, religion has been there every bloody step of the way.  The absolute crap that modern Christians believe is no different than those that believed that a sky goddess swallowed the sun every day at sunset.  What humanity needs is more anti-preachers, anti-Christs, anti-Mohammeds, and anti-faith based initiatives.  We actually don't need anything "faith-based" at all.  We'd all be FAR better off without that crap.

For your info a small percent of people could afford slaves and only a part of them were christians. There you go again, painting every christian with the same brush. I would think you could grow up and get over this fixation.

Source for this? 

[Palehorse]

I told you, dammit, that was B.C. (Before Coffee)

[LOsborne]

All I said is how much do you wanna bet....

Pariann, always bet a car. Most of the time you won't be able to collect, but think of how much fun you will have if you do!

[Exterminator]

Why would anyone with a modicum of intelligence abdicate their intellect to blind faith?

I'm guessing this is a rhetorical question?

Source for this?

Her ass?

[Palehorse]

. . .Her ass?

That one made me spit my drink!

[followsthewolf]

That one made me spit my drink!

Yep. Crap. Now I have to reprint a whole hour's worth of textbook editing. Sprayed my drink all over it.

Some warning next time, Ex., please. 

[dan foster]

Or the bible is Gods word for us. You just don't have the faith to believe so you trash it all. I just wonder does it make you feel smarter? or what? I find it interesting that the unbelievers are actually more vocal and hateful about religion. Why the attitude of not letting people believe what they want or not. It is no skin off you nose and really should not make a difference. Go on your way, but let others go their own way to.  For your info a small percent of people could afford slaves and only a part of them were christians. There you go again, painting every christian with the same brush. I would think you could grow up and get over this fixation.

Well, first; no one is keeping you from "believing what you want or not".  You have an opinion and express it on this board.  I have the right to do the same.

Second, the bible was used to support slavery as an institution.  You can't get away from that.  Even jesus seemed to condone slavery, so whether the slave owners were christian, or not, has nothing to do with it and the fact that whether there were only a few or a multitude of slave owners has nothing to do with the argument, as well. 

So, why don't you grow a little, yourself, and try reading something besides the bible for your historical and ethical facts and background?