Missing Air France jet 'hit by electric fault'

[Locutus]

E BOURGET, France - Air France Flight 447 slammed into the Atlantic Ocean, intact and belly first, at such a high speed that the 228 people aboard probably had no time to even inflate their life jackets, French investigators said Thursday in their first report into the June 1 accident.

Likening the investigation to a puzzle with missing pieces, lead investigator Alain Bouillard said that one month after the crash, "we are very far from establishing the causes of the accident."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31707331/ns/world_news-europe/

[Locutus]

^------ Try as I may, I can't imagine a situation that would lead to that.

How in the hell does a jet fall out of the sky flat on its belly?

[dan foster]

^------ Try as I may, I can't imagine a situation that would lead to that.

How in the hell does a jet fall out of the sky flat on its belly?

In an uncontrolled, horizontal spin.  If the tail broke away at altitude, as some have indicated, there would be nothing to stop the plane from a flat spin.

[Locutus]

This topic is WAY old, and I hesitate to bump it, but I found a very interesting article about the causes of the crash as found by aviation safety experts who examined details of that fateful night.  I figured I would post it in case any are interested in reading. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1282367/Air-France-crash-The-truth-disaster-killed-228-people.html

[The Troll]

Yea, after I made my posting I saw where they had traveled out of range of the Brazilian radar. . . The fuggen media made it sound as if they had just disappeared. . . and some still are! 

  At 500 mph that plane could have been hundreds of miles off of it's flight plan.  If that plane was forced into a vertical dive and reached a speed of 700 + miles per hour.  The plane going into the water at that speed vertically, there would be a very small debris field and a lot of it would be deep.

  Like someone said, there is many thousands of square miles of ocean to cover.

  There is one thing we must remember.  If it was built by man on an assembly line.  I can fail.

[Palehorse]

This topic is WAY old, and I hesitate to bump it, but I found a very interesting article about the causes of the crash as found by aviation safety experts who examined details of that fateful night.  I figured I would post it in case any are interested in reading. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1282367/Air-France-crash-The-truth-disaster-killed-228-people.html

Great update Locutus. Thank you! We rarely get any followup to these events, short of a blurb put out by the NTSB or FAA at the conclusion of their investigations.

[Locutus]

Unfortunately, that might be as good as it gets for that one.  The black boxes are in the cavernous bottom of the Atlantic ocean. 

[dan foster]

There is no radar that far out in a transoceanic flight. 

The only radar is the plane's radar.  Adding to the problem; flights are given a path to be on, regardless of weather, and without any traffic control over the broad ocean, they are on their own; not to deviate from course.  Stupid.

[The Troll]

The only radar is the plane's radar.  Adding to the problem; flights are given a path to be on, regardless of weather, and without any traffic control over the broad ocean, they are on their own; not to deviate from course.  Stupid.

  Having been a pilot,  you have heard the term pilot in command.  The pilot is in command of his airplane and he has the final choice to do what he thinks is right to do with his airplane.  No one on the ground, in the tower can over rule him on safety.

  Except, if  you flying a load of illegal drugs over the border and a F-18 is over you, telling you to land.

[Palehorse]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/04/03/france.jet.wreckage/index.html?hpt=T2

An underwater search within the last 24 hours, has turned up parts to the flight that is the subject of this topic; just shy of two years later!

. . .France's Bureau of Aviation Investigation said that a team, led by the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, discovered parts of the aircraft during an underwater search operation conducted within the past 24 hours. . .

[Palehorse]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/04/03/france.jet.wreckage/index.html?hpt=T2

An underwater search within the last 24 hours, has turned up parts to the flight that is the subject of this topic; just shy of two years later!

. . .France's Bureau of Aviation Investigation said that a team, led by the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, discovered parts of the aircraft during an underwater search operation conducted within the past 24 hours. . .

. . .The agency did not immediately say what parts of the jet the team found.
Investigators have not yet established what caused the crash, and large parts of the plane -- including both flight recorders -- have never been located, despite an extensive search operation that included a French navy submarine.
The Air France plane went down in stormy weather, and most of the bodies were never recovered.
Studies of the debris and bodies that were found led the BEA to conclude the plane hit the water belly first, essentially intact. Oxygen masks were not deployed, indicating that the cabin did not depressurize, the BEA said in a 2009 report.
Automated messages sent from the plane in the minutes before the crash showed there were problems measuring air speed, investigators have said, though they said that alone was not enough to cause the disaster.
The area where the plane went down is far out in the Atlantic -- two to four days for ships to reach from the nearest ports in Brazil or Senegal in west Africa. The underwater terrain is rough with underwater mountains and valleys, the BEA has said. (Update to same article linked above.)

[Palehorse]

What they have discovered over the past 48 hours consists of the engine(s), landing gear, and a large portion of the cabin; with bodies still inside.

They are saying they are going to "recover" all of it, including what is left of the bodies. . .

They are using some of the very same technology that was used in discovering and exploring the Titanic shipwreck, etc. . . 

Thus far they have not discovered the "black boxes", but I suspect that is eventually going to happen. . .

[The Troll]

What they have discovered over the past 48 hours consists of the engine(s), landing gear, and a large portion of the cabin; with bodies still inside.

They are saying they are going to "recover" all of it, including what is left of the bodies. . .

They are using some of the very same technology that was used in discovering and exploring the Titanic shipwreck, etc. . . 

Thus far they have not discovered the "black boxes", but I suspect that is eventually going to happen. . .

  Some years back I took a young F-18 jet fight pilot for a ride in my plane.  A 1947 Stinson Voyager tail dragger.  Naturally I let him fly it.  He showed me some tricks in the plane I never thought it would do.

  I ask him what happens if he would lose all electric power in his jet.  He just plainly stated that, HE BAILS OUT.  He can't control the plane in anyway.  The plane is all fly by wire.  All of the controls are ran by electricity.   I would bet this airliner is the same way, but no one can bail out. 

[Palehorse]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/05/16/france.jet.crash/index.html?hpt=T2

They found the flight data recorder and cockpit recorder, and after almost 2 years at 12,700 feet below the oceans surface the data is intact!!!!

They expect to be able to report on their findings, at a high level, within the next two weeks!

(Pics at the above link)

[The Troll]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/05/16/france.jet.crash/index.html?hpt=T2

They found the flight data recorder and cockpit recorder, and after almost 2 years at 12,700 feet below the oceans surface the data is intact!!!!

They expect to be able to report on their findings, at a high level, within the next two weeks!

(Pics at the above link)

  It goes to show you there is no hiding place of earth if the United States is after you, even if you a black box.  Do you think that the dumbass raghead could find Osama Bin Laden's body in the ocean.   

  I made a mistake of putting this post of the Republican's suck topic.  I wonder how long it take the Mosquito Hawk will find it.