Onward Christian Soldiers! - Kansas abortion doctor killed.

[Palehorse]

We don't really know what the numbers are, do we? Because any requests for statistical information is met with shrill cries that providing such would be an invasion of privacy, even when the government is only asking for data independent of the patient names?

"We" know enough to know propaganda when we see it. It is statistically impossible for this late doctor to have performed 60k late term abortions. . . That is nothing more than hysterics at work and another example that, along with the killing of this doctor, demonstrate the ends to which these zealots will go to, to force their beliefs upon everyone.

[Freethinker]

Palehorse... I am not a fan of hospitals today either. They are too motivated by profit. In fact, profit should not even come into it IMO. And all the bloodsuckers at the top need to find other industries to raid.

However, what I'm trying to say is that IF we can come up with a set of guidelines that are reasonable, and IF things are more transparent information wise (not invading privacy)... then hospitals should be able to deal with these situations "privately."

I do think "privately" is safer than walking through a picketline, trying to get into a specialized clinic for abortions.

Back before Roe v Wade, D&C's were very popular. *wink, wink*

[Freethinker]

"We" know enough to know propaganda when we see it. It is statistically impossible for this late doctor to have performed 60k late term abortions. . . That is nothing more than hysterics at work and another example that, along with the killing of this doctor, demonstrate the ends to which these zealots will go to, to force their beliefs upon everyone.

I would hope that isn't true. I've no idea how long he was in practice, or if maybe the 60,000 was a total number of abortions over the years.

There's no reason why we shouldn't know the exact number of late-term abortions performed, though. Statistical information is important in understanding the issue, without having to invade anyone's privacy.

[mcgonser]

Yes the 60,000 abortions was over the years, not this year alone. Sorry I did not make that clear it is perfectly viable that he could of done that many.

[Palehorse]

Palehorse... I am not a fan of hospitals today either. They are too motivated by profit. In fact, profit should not even come into it IMO. And all the bloodsuckers at the top need to find other industries to raid.

However, what I'm trying to say is that IF we can come up with a set of guidelines that are reasonable, and IF things are more transparent information wise (not invading privacy)... then hospitals should be able to deal with these situations "privately."

I do think "privately" is safer than walking through a picketline, trying to get into a specialized clinic for abortions.

Back before Roe v Wade, D&C's were very popular. *wink, wink*

Theoretically I agree however, what's to stop them from picketing the hospitals? Nothing. It will not matter to them whether or not the procedure is being performed or not, just that it could be.

Before Roe vs Wade coathangers in the alley or backrooms were quite popular too. As were deaths due to infection and hemorrhage. . . 

It has been so long since society has had to deal with that little "secret" that generations have forgotten about it. . . But it is still there; waiting.

[Bo D]

Billy O feeds his sheeple this kind of crap night after night after night and they keep coming back for more.  And even worse, I think he does it to incite. 

Interesting. I recently read an op-ed piece that says precisely that.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/03/AR2009060303238.html

"O'Reilly is being incredibly disingenuous when he claims that he bears no responsibility for others' actions in the killing of Dr. George Tiller on Sunday. When you tell an audience of millions over and over again that someone is an executioner, you cannot feign surprise when someone executes that person.

You cannot claim to hold no responsibility for what other people do when you call for people to besiege Tiller's clinic, as O'Reilly did in January 2008. And this was after Tiller had been shot in both arms and after his clinic had been bombed.

O'Reilly knew that people wanted Tiller dead, and he knew full well that many of those people were avid viewers of his show. Still, he fanned the flames. Every time I appeared on his show, I received vitriolic and hate-filled e-mails. And if I received those messages directly, I can only imagine what type of feedback O'Reilly receives. He knows that his words incite violence."

[Locutus]

Yes the 60,000 abortions was over the years, not this year alone. Sorry I did not make that clear it is perfectly viable that he could of done that many.

PUHLEEEZZZEE!!!  Open up your brain and do the fuggin' math. 

[Locutus]

Interesting. I recently read an op-ed piece that says precisely that.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/03/AR2009060303238.html

"O'Reilly is being incredibly disingenuous when he claims that he bears no responsibility for others' actions in the killing of Dr. George Tiller on Sunday. When you tell an audience of millions over and over again that someone is an executioner, you cannot feign surprise when someone executes that person.

You cannot claim to hold no responsibility for what other people do when you call for people to besiege Tiller's clinic, as O'Reilly did in January 2008. And this was after Tiller had been shot in both arms and after his clinic had been bombed.

O'Reilly knew that people wanted Tiller dead, and he knew full well that many of those people were avid viewers of his show. Still, he fanned the flames. Every time I appeared on his show, I received vitriolic and hate-filled e-mails. And if I received those messages directly, I can only imagine what type of feedback O'Reilly receives. He knows that his words incite violence."

Spot on that is.  And O'Reilly is still peddlin' the lies even as late as last week:

The liberal outcry over the murder of Kansas late-term abortion doctor George Tiller demonstrates exactly where American discourse is going. Shot dead in a church by an anti-government militant, Tiller did not deserve his fate. Even though the man destroyed an estimated 60,000 fetuses that could have lived outside the womb, he was an American citizen entitled to protection. No matter what you think about abortion, it is a sad day for the country when vigilantism takes a life.

http://www.billoreilly.com/site/product?printerFriendly=true&pid=26686&said=null&satype=null

[Locutus]

And the alternative:

http://www.sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com/



"me", that one's for you. 

[Palehorse]

A guest on Coast to Coast was the first I heard to statistically "bust" that 60k propaganda as being what it is, a lie made up to inflame. Since I was driving I didn't remember the math but I did recall hearing it was impossible even over his entire career. . . Including if you added in any electives abortions he may have performed.

[Locutus]

Apparently that's not good enough to enlighten the sheeple. 

[Palehorse]

Apparently that's not good enough to enlighten the sheeple. 

[mcgonser]

You can't blame Bill O"reilly for what some nut case did. It has been decided over the years that music, movies and news that show or provoke violence are not accountable. There you go giving the criminal the excuse for what he did. He did it, he is guilty, period. No one held his hand and made him shoot the Dr. Give me a break.  REALLY!

[Freethinker]

Now we know why Mommie Dearest had such an aversion to wire hangers! 

Seriously... when you go back to the coat hanger days, one must remember that:

1) there was not a wealth of reliable birth control to use,

2) there were not the welfare programs available today for welfare moms,

3) a woman was severely ostracized for birthing children out of wedlock.

So, either way, I don't see society headed back to coathangers.

Also, before men were involved in controlling women's bodies en toto, there were wise women who knew how to deal with these situations privately... from birth control to oops control for those who were weary or impoverished.

I believe the case can be made that when men took over the healing/nurturing aspects, women started impaling themselves on coat hangers.

[me]

And the alternative:

http://www.sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com/



"me", that one's for you. 

The Huffington Post????  Give me a break.