Onward Christian Soldiers! - Kansas abortion doctor killed.

[mcgonser]

Doesn't matter what I think. This act wasn't about what I think, or what you think. According to the law of the land, the doctor did no wrong. You can work to change the law, if you are so minded, and once you have accomplished this goal (if ever) you can then refer to lawful abortions as homicides. But not now. The only murderer in the story is the gunman in Wichita.

I reconize that there is no legal law against abortions in the last trimester. It still doesn't change my mind about it being murder. I call them as I see them.

[Locutus]

1. why was these tests not done sooner?

Perhaps because tests to determine fetal abnormalities are done as the fetus develops and not according to any timeline that you, or those like you, choose to fit your self serving/religious based agenda.

2. if these "tests" make a woman not want her baby there is someone out there who does.

Wow!  You speak with such certainty.  You surely must have some data to back up that claim. After I read your evidence, I'm sure I will find hoards of people lining up to adopt babies/children with birth defects, mental retardations, and physical abnormalities.  If I'm wrong, I'll admit it.  Just ante on up with your evidence. 

3. It is "murder" not abortion at that stage to me and alot others. (3rd trimester)

As has been pointed out to you previously by LOsborne, the only murderer is the shooter. 

4. do you realize that the baby is at least 6 months along at this stage?

Actually, you're wrong. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intact_dilation_and_extraction

The only time there should be abortion at this stage is to save the mothers life. thats my opinion and I am not going out with a gun to uphold it.

Again, that's your opinion and isn't at all supported by law.    Please educate yourself.  You'll be better off for it.   

[Gardengirl]

Oh please, the necessity to kill a child at this stage of development almost NEVER occurs!!! It is EXTREMELY rare. This ass was a monster. Plus, when women undergo such a procedure, did you know they develop cancer at a much higher rate??? This is an extremely dangerous procedure to the woman too.

[Locutus]

Oh please, the necessity to kill a child at this stage of development almost NEVER occurs!!! It is EXTREMELY rare. This ass was a monster.

Really?  You guys keep calling him a monster, but none of you have addressed this:

He acknowledged abortion was as socially divisive as slavery or prohibition but said the issue was about giving women a choice when dealing with technology that can diagnose severe fetal abnormalities before a baby is born.

None of you have offered up any evidence in support of your "monster" theory outside of your collective wild eyed ranting on this thread.  If any of you have some evidence, offer it up.  I'm waiting. 

Plus, when women undergo such a procedure, did you know they develop cancer at a much higher rate??? This is an extremely dangerous procedure to the woman too.

Well that smells like a lil' BS to me, but perhaps you've read that snippet on WND.    Debate on this forum must be based on facts, evidence, and logic, and so far you've offered none of the above. 

[Locutus]

Why aren't any of you addressing the acceptability of late term abortions in the cases of severe fetal abnormalities?  You're all pounding your fists and huffing and puffing, but none of you have addressed that one simple point.  And if there is a case of fetal abnormalities, what exactly gives you (those opining on this thread who would so willingly subject the rest of us to your moral absolutes) the right to stick your nose into the business of a family who is confronted with that situation?

[me]

If you will notice from the pic's that any abnormalities would be discovered long before the 6th month of a pregnancy.  http://www.aboutabortions.com/EmbFetal.htm    and another one which follows it more closely  http://www.paternityangel.com/Preg_info_zone/WeekByWeek/Weekly_Intro.htm

[Locutus]

Are you sure?  Are those scientific and/or medically based sources, or are they just mere anti-abortion websites filled with propaganda?  I already know.  Do you?

[me]

Are you sure?  Are those scientific and/or medically based sources, or are they just mere anti-abortion websites filled with propaganda?  I already know.  Do you?

I believe those are scientific sites.  I tried my best to steer clear of the antiabortion sites and I did run across some of them. 

[Locutus]

 

I believe those are scientific sites.  I tried my best to steer clear of the antiabortion sites and I did run across some of them. 

Just because you believe they're scientific sites doesn't mean that they are.    I did a small bit of research, but I'm falling asleep. 

Ahem!   -----V

Why aren't any of you addressing the acceptability of late term abortions in the cases of severe fetal abnormalities?  You're all pounding your fists and huffing and puffing, but none of you have addressed that one simple point.  And if there is a case of fetal abnormalities, what exactly gives you (those opining on this thread who would so willingly subject the rest of us to your moral absolutes) the right to stick your nose into the business of a family who is confronted with that situation?

What gives you the right to stick your nose into the business of others?

[Locutus]

Oh Henry, I'm waiting. 

[me]

Why aren't any of you addressing the acceptability of late term abortions in the cases of severe fetal abnormalities?  You're all pounding your fists and huffing and puffing, but none of you have addressed that one simple point.  And if there is a case of fetal abnormalities, what exactly gives you (those opining on this thread who would so willingly subject the rest of us to your moral absolutes) the right to stick your nose into the business of a family who is confronted with that situation?

It does not take until a woman is 5 or 6 months pregnant to find out if there is a brain, limbs are forming properly, or even downs syndrome for that matter.  The heart beat is also found before that so some of those excuses for those partial birth abortions are very lame. 
The word abortion is not even mentioned in those things I sent it is just showing the timeline of developement and explaining what is going on with the fetus much like you would learn in a classroom. 
To save the mothers life, yes, if the baby is going to be still born or has a serious birth defect, yes, but just because the mother has decided she doesn't want the baby and waited until the 6th month to decide to have an abortion....hell no. 

[Exterminator]

1. why was these tests not done sooner?

Was?  I see you're showing your extensive education...again.   

2. if these "tests" make a woman not want her baby there is someone out there who does.

Sure, there are lots of people who want to adopt a baby born with Tay-Sachs disease.  What prospective couple wouldn't look forward to caring for a child who, before he/she dies (typically by the age of 4), becomes blind, deaf, unable to swallow, has muscle atrophy and then paralysis, and finally suffers from dementia and seizures and what good mother wouldn't want to give her child the gift of at least those four years of constant pain and agony?

[Palehorse]

It appears some of you claiming a "scientific" perspective on this subject forgot to obtain a degree in such beforehand. . . 

There are crippling diseases that are not plainly apparent before birth without extensive testing, including genetic testing. Some of them may not appear until well into the third trimester. . . And even then there is a chance it could slip by.

The man in question broke no laws of humankind in this country. So humankind kills him.  It never ceases to amaze me how zealots condemn those that they say commit murder according to their beliefs, then turn around a kill another human being that is already a positive contributor to life. So hypocitical!  And then there are those that support murder by attempting to justify his/her actions post homicide.
(According to the laws of man and this nation).

Perhaps we should enact legislation to deal out a special form of execution for those who perform such an act as that which transpired herein? Like, crucifixion for those that kill human beings adjudicated as innocent. . .

[Henry Hawk]

Oh Henry, I'm waiting. 

Hey, I'm JUST now returning from the weekend...just getting caught up....not dodging....

First of all, I find it very sad that THIS man was gunned down.  He was gunned down by a disturbed person.  But this person does NOT represent Jesus nor Christianity!!....IN any WAY, SHAPE or FORM!!

In MY opinion.......NO true Christian will condone what happened...even though I 100% disagree with abortions....It IS a law to allow them...I am ALL in favor of peacefull protests....THIS wacknut, is in the same league as the flake that set the bomb in Oklahoma!!...like the saying goes, "calling yourself a Christian because you go to church, is like calling yourself a car because you are in a garage..."

so, you won't get a rise out of me, to defend this moron, who gunned down this man....and I think, MOST Christians across this NATION, feel like I do on this.

[Exterminator]

It never ceases to amaze me how zealots condemn those that they say commit murder according to their beliefs, then turn around a kill another human being that is already a positive contributor to life.

It's like screwing to promote abstinence!