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Is it okay to show your patriotism at the office?...

Started by Henry Hawk, May 27, 2009, 10:40:38 AM

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Quote from: LOsborne on June 01, 2009, 07:03:36 PM
Source, please. I know you're getting tired of me asking, so why don't y'all just give in and provide your sources each time your state something as fact?
Where were you at when all of that was going on?  It hasn't been all that long ago ya know.
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LOsborne

Quote from: me on June 01, 2009, 07:05:18 PM
Where were you at when all of that was going on?  It hasn't been all that long ago ya know.

I don't remember it being so cut and dried as you seem to. I do remember it happening before the election. It passed the Senate on Oct. 1, 2008. The election was in November. And before you ask, here's my source:

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Economy/story?id=5932586

And just to refresh your memory concerning how poor President Bush was backed into a corner over this, at that time, the Senate was not veto-proof.

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This must be what I am think of where Obama was urging Bush and congress to hurry on the second half of the bailout funds so they would be available to him when he took office. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/12/politics/main4714609.shtml
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LOsborne

Obama was asking for the second half of the funds (which had been voted on in October 2008) to be released a couple of weeks early. The first half had already been released. No new funds were involved in this happening.

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Quote from: LOsborne on June 01, 2009, 08:04:55 PM
Obama was asking for the second half of the funds (which had been voted on in October 2008) to be released a couple of weeks early. The first half had already been released. No new funds were involved in this happening.
But if he didn't approve of how the first funds were spent or handled why didn't he wait until he could change things or since things were showing some improvement wait until he got into office to disperse the second half?  What was the rush?
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LOsborne

Quote from: me on June 01, 2009, 08:37:05 PM
What was the rush?
AIG and BofA were about to collapse. If they went, they would take all the interstate banks with them. And unemployment was reaching double digits. The car catastrophe wasn't even peaking yet, at the time.

The idea was to pump up the cash flow in the economy. Unfortunately, the banks horded the money instead of sending it back out, and AIG sent their C-suite people early Christmas presents. But that wasn't Obama's fault. Congress didn't tie the money to conditions. Our Senators and Reps need to be hung upside down and jiggled until all the money falls out of their pockets, but they are the ones who left the use of the money open-ended. The Prez was just trying (at that time) to put it in to circulation. I'm willing to bash Obama for the stuff he actually did, but he doesn't get the blame for things he had no hand in. Although, come to think of it, he was part of the Congress that drafted that "no-strings-attached" TARP package.

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Quote from: LOsborne on June 01, 2009, 09:06:04 PM
AIG and BofA were about to collapse. If they went, they would take all the interstate banks with them. And unemployment was reaching double digits. The car catastrophe wasn't even peaking yet, at the time.

The idea was to pump up the cash flow in the economy. Unfortunately, the banks horded the money instead of sending it back out, and AIG sent their C-suite people early Christmas presents. But that wasn't Obama's fault. Congress didn't tie the money to conditions. Our Senators and Reps need to be hung upside down and jiggled until all the money falls out of their pockets, but they are the ones who left the use of the money open-ended. The Prez was just trying (at that time) to put it in to circulation. I'm willing to bash Obama for the stuff he actually did, but he doesn't get the blame for things he had no hand in. Although, come to think of it, he was part of the Congress that drafted that "no-strings-attached" TARP package.
He and McCain both were.  I just wish they would quit piling one bad move on top of another and quit trying to put things back together so quickly they are making it worse.  Even the 25 policemen in Ohio that just got hired are in jeopardy of losing their jobs already.
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Exterminator

Quote from: me on June 01, 2009, 09:19:37 PM
He and McCain both were.  I just wish they would quit piling one bad move on top of another and quit trying to put things back together so quickly they are making it worse.

Are they making it worse?  The economy is showing signs of recovery.

QuoteEven the 25 policemen in Ohio that just got hired are in jeopardy of losing their jobs already.

Minutia.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

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Quote from: Exterminator on June 02, 2009, 07:56:18 AM
Are they making it worse?  The economy is showing signs of recovery.
Tell that to the people who are losing jobs.  That little kink hasn't hit yet.   

QuoteMinutia.
That's the same thing I thought when the news made a big deal of Obama having created the jobs... :razz:
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