Biden Reveals Location of Secret VP Bunker

[me]

This isn't a political blunder, it just simply highlights the cowardice of cheney shivering in his own "spider hole" fearing the next round of anthrax attacks and planning his next assault on the Constitution; coward and traitor.

No, that was Gore who no one cared about at the time who disappeared and grew a beard so no one would recognize him, he thought....ROFLMAO  A legend in his own mind...

[mcgonser]

  LOL

[dan foster]

No, that was Gore who no one cared about at the time who disappeared and grew a beard so no one would recognize him, he thought....ROFLMAO  A legend in his own mind...

And your comeback is relevant, how?  Gore didn't occupy a "secret hideout" where the boogie man couldn't get him, nor did he ever trash the Constitution.

[me]

And your comeback is relevant, how?  Gore didn't occupy a "secret hideout" where the boogie man couldn't get him, nor did he ever trash the Constitution.

It was important that nothing happen to Cheney and not Gore is what I'm saying and Gore hid like they were going to come after him...what a joke.  Bush did not hide away because he had things to take care of and in case something happened to him Cheney needed to be in a safe place so he could take over.  Bush did not trash the constitution either.

[LOsborne]

Bush did not trash the constitution either.

So we should just pretend he didn't suspend habeas corpus?

[me]

So we should just pretend he didn't suspend habeas corpus?

For?

[Locutus]

He did it for at least one American citizen. 

Is that acceptable to you?

[me]

He did it for at least one American citizen. 

Is that acceptable to you?

Who was that?

[Locutus]

Jose Padilla

Please people, educate yourselves before you opine.  From the article:

On June 9, 2002, two days before District Court Judge Michael Mukasey was to issue a ruling on the validity of continuing to hold Padilla under the material witness warrant, President George Bush issued an order to Secretary Rumsfeld to detain Padilla as an "enemy combatant," and Padilla was transferred to a military brig in South Carolina without any notice to his attorney or family.

Is that acceptable to you as an American citizen?   

[Locutus]

That's clearly a suspension of habeas corpus pure, flat out, and simple.  And even more worrisome, it was done to an American citizen. 

[me]

Yes, under the circumstances I do consider it acceptable. http://www.nndb.com/people/295/000023226/

Jose Padilla

Please people, educate yourselves before you opine.  From the article:

Is that acceptable to you as an American citizen?   

[Locutus]

Yes, under the circumstances I do consider it acceptable. http://www.nndb.com/people/295/000023226/

LOL!  You should read the content of what you post. 

From your article:

He was convicted of conspiracy, and giving material support to terrorists. Serious allegations to be sure -- each charge carries a maximum penalty of fifteen years in prison -- but these are nowhere near the horrific crimes Ashcroft told Americans Padilla was guilty of. The court case heard no claims of 'dirty bombs', or of attacks being plotted in or against America.

I ask again, is that acceptable to you as an American citizen who may someday be subjected to the same?

[Locutus]

I would love to hear any good argument from an American citizen as to when it's acceptable to suspend any of our Constitutional rights.  I posit that there's no acceptable reason.

[Exterminator]

I would love to hear any good argument from an American citizen as to when it's acceptable to suspend any of our Constitutional rights.  I posit that there's no acceptable reason.

And you would be correct.  Anyone who suggests otherwise is a traitor and should be executed.

[LOsborne]

Yes, under the circumstances I do consider it acceptable.

Our Constitution does not allow for the concept of "situational ethics," me. The law is the law, whether you are a saint or a pedophile priest.

But did you even read the article? Ashcroft said "We have captured a known terrorist who was exploring a plan to build and explode a radiological dispersion device, or 'dirty bomb,' in the United States..."  yet when Padilla was finally brought to trial three and a half years after being arrested "He was convicted of conspiracy, and giving material support to terrorists. Serious allegations to be sure -- each charge carries a maximum penalty of fifteen years in prison -- but these are nowhere near the horrific crimes Ashcroft told Americans Padilla was guilty of. The court case heard no claims of 'dirty bombs', or of attacks being plotted in or against America."

The material support was a copy of a satirical website about building nuclear bombs -- hardly a state secret since it was also published in Time Magazine.

What possible reason can you give for holding this guy for three years without even charging him with a crime? And he was only brought to trial because the Supreme Court was about to issue a Charge Him or Release Him order.