This is exactly what we can expect from nationalized health care

[Exterminator]

Unless you know the cost of the equipment involved, the cost of its upkeep, and all related costs, I dont see how you can say its ridiculous.

There you go again with that whole math thing.   

[me]

Pure conjecture.  He did not live in Canada at the time, ergo, was not refused treatment.  As far as anyone knows, the criteria for that procedure may have changed dramatically between the time he left there over a decade prior and when he needed treatment.  Certainly, major advances were made in the field during that time.

He still has family there who knows about the criteria for that procedure and how the system works.

Again, conjecture.  Had she gone to an emergency room in Canada and not been treated in a timely manner and had died as a result, you might have a point but none of those things happened so her assertion is without merit.

She also still has family there including a sister who is a nurse and is familiar with how things work in the emergency room. 

I would say ignorant as you are relying on anecdotal evidence rather than empirical data.  If you would like to rely on empirical data, the World Health Organizations rankings of the world's health care systems is a logical place to start.  Note that the U.S. ranked 37 and Canada 30.  Also note how well virtually every country in Europe, all of whom have universal health care of one ilk or another, did.  Virtually all of them ranked higher than we did.

Data can be skewed one way or the other as you have said so many times when Hank used it to prove his points. 

[Gryphon]

Id be interested in what "skew" was applied to put us at 37th on the list.

[me]

Unless you know the cost of the equipment involved, the cost of its upkeep, and all related costs, I dont see how you can say its ridiculous.

The same reason Dan said this:

I think the workers in the system should be paid a good wage (including doctors), but when a hospital can charge $60,000 dollars a day for a bed, something is terribly wrong.

[Gryphon]

In other words, you just can't wrap your mind around WHY something should cost so much?

I can feel your pain, a couple of months ago I had a multi-slice CT scan of my abdomen done. The whole thing took ten minutes, and cost $1500. I was astounded. I have a good friend who is a radiologist who explained that the machine itself probably cost almost $1 million dollars--and technology increases mean it has a life of only a few years.  Service costs (you cant get a minimum wage kid fresh out of high school to service such items) to keep the machine in proper order are tens of thousands a year. You must also factor in the space in which the machine sits (they are large) which is likely rented at a price per square foot, the utility costs of the facility, the wages, benefits, and insurance for the tech who did it and the radiologist who read it. All told, it doesnt seem so ridiculous.

[Exterminator]

Id be interested in what "skew" was applied to put us at 37th on the list.

Again, we're wasting our time.  She's an idiot who is only going to believe what she wants regardless of overwhelming observable evidence to the contrary.

[Gryphon]

Again, we're wasting our time.  She's an idiot who is only going to believe what she wants regardless of overwhelming observable evidence to the contrary.

A look at the list should dispel any notion that the list is attempting to push one system or another. But, there are none so blind as those who choose not to see.

[me]

Again, we're wasting our time.  She's an idiot who is only going to believe what she wants regardless of overwhelming observable evidence to the contrary.

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you are the only one who posts facts from sources that aren't skewed and don't have an agenda or stand to make more money if everyone is a part of their little group because they are so great.  'Scuse me all to hell. Guess you can't get a true picture for yourself if you actually talk to the people who are living under the systems 'cause they are biased and don't really know anything huh?  Of course you do have to factor into it the people who have only known that particular system who think it's great and the ones who have known other systems who have opposing opinions and don't think it's so great after all.  Then you have to compare it to the ones who have only known this system and think it sucks to the ones who have known and used the other systems that think this one is great.  If that makes me an idiot so be it.

[Exterminator]

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you are the only one who posts facts from sources that aren't skewed and don't have an agenda or stand to make more money if everyone is a part of their little group because they are so great.  'Scuse me all to hell. Guess you can't get a true picture for yourself if you actually talk to the people who are living under the systems 'cause they are biased and don't really know anything huh?  Of course you do have to factor into it the people who have only known that particular system who think it's great and the ones who have known other systems who have opposing opinions and don't think it's so great after all.  Then you have to compare it to the ones who have only known this system and think it sucks to the ones who have known and used the other systems that think this one is great.  If that makes me an idiot so be it.

Yes, it does.  You don't have any facts or evidence; you have a couple of anecdotal stories which amount to nothing more than hearsay...there's a very good reason why such tripe isn't admissible as evidence in legal proceedings.  What is frustrating is that you absolutely refuse to even consider that the picture is larger than that which your little mind can grasp...nebulous stories from a couple of people you know...it's ok if your preference is to go through life ignorant but please keep it to yourself.  Every time you offer it here it lowers everyone else's IQ just for having read it.

[pariann]

And I still need a shower.

[Exterminator]

And I still need a shower.

     

[Gryphon]

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you are the only one who posts facts from sources that aren't skewed and don't have an agenda or stand to make more money if everyone is a part of their little group because they are so great.  'Scuse me all to hell. Guess you can't get a true picture for yourself if you actually talk to the people who are living under the systems 'cause they are biased and don't really know anything huh?  Of course you do have to factor into it the people who have only known that particular system who think it's great and the ones who have known other systems who have opposing opinions and don't think it's so great after all.  Then you have to compare it to the ones who have only known this system and think it sucks to the ones who have known and used the other systems that think this one is great.  If that makes me an idiot so be it.

what skew or agenda does the world health organization have?

[Exterminator]

what skew or agenda does the world health organization have?

And why?

[pariann]

    

If there wasn't so much crap being thrown around in here, I wouldn't get it on me every time I peeked in, and I wouldn't be feeling the need for a shower.   

[Gryphon]

be glad you're in America for that shower. My friend's aunt's baby sister's next door neighbor lives in Canada, and she told me that the showers up there suck big time.