This is exactly what we can expect from nationalized health care

[Exterminator]

You've been listening to Bill-O again, haven't you. I spent the past weekend in Dayton with a girlfriend who needs a heart doctor. She called the four who were recommended by her GP. None of them will accept her insurance. Her insurance is Blue Cross/Blue Shield. So just for shiggles, we asked about my insurance. Mine is CIGNA. They wouldn't take that either. The reason the doctors won't take the insurance, is the discount that insurance companies insist on for "reasonable and customary" charges. Now, what was that about choice, again?

She is also blissfully unaware of how health care systems work in other countries where national health care exists and they have every bit as much choice about their health caer providers as we have here if, as you have illustrated, not more.

[Sandy Eggo]

Since when is Congress the only branch of civillian federal service who enjoys federal benefits? I don't know what Congress gets but what about ALL of the other Federal employees? Maybe it's important to note that the government is one of our nation's top employers...if not the top.

[pariann]

My mother is a civilian Federal employee, and at an age where health care is much more needed, I haven't heard her complain about the care she is getting. Though I do understand that she is putting out a lot more in out of pocket expenses than I would be able to afford.  (She's been dealing with colon cancer treatments.)

[me]

She is also blissfully unaware of how health care systems work in other countries where national health care exists and they have every bit as much choice about their health caer providers as we have here if, as you have illustrated, not more.

I have a cousin who lives in Cal and her husband just went through cancer treatments including a stem cell transplant which he would not have been able to get in Canada.  He was born in Canada and they lived in Canada until about 15yrs ago, he is in his early 70's.  They are both glad they had the health care available here. 
My nephew's wife, also married to a Canadian living in Seattle, Washington now who was glad when she had her heart attack last year and needed bypass surgery she was in the States now and not in Canada because she would not have been treated as quickly and would not be here now to talk about it.
I could give you other examples of health care in other countries which I heard straight from the people who put up with it but you're gonna call me a liar anyway so why bother. 

[Exterminator]

I have a cousin who lives in Cal and her husband just went through cancer treatments including a stem cell transplant which he would not have been able to get in Canada.  He was born in Canada and they lived in Canada until about 15yrs ago, he is in his early 70's.  They are both glad they had the health care available here.

You keep saying this as though stem cell treatment isn't done in Canada when nothing could be further from the truth.  Why don't you tell us the real reason they wouldn't treat him?

[Exterminator]

I could give you other examples of health care in other countries which I heard straight from the people who put up with it but you're gonna call me a liar anyway so why bother.

Your anecdotal evidence doesn't add up to a hill of beans.  I lived in Germany for several years and the availability and quality of their health care is far superior to ours and it's cheaper!

[me]

You keep saying this as though stem cell treatment isn't done in Canada when nothing could be further from the truth.  Why don't you tell us the real reason they wouldn't treat him?

They would not have treated him because of his age and the cost. 

[me]

Your anecdotal evidence doesn't add up to a hill of beans.  I lived in Germany for several years and the availability and quality of their health care is far superior to ours and it's cheaper!

If you were in the military how would you know?

[Exterminator]

If you were in the military how would you know?

You're making inaccurate assumptions.  I was only in the military the first time I was in Germany.  I've lived there since as a civilian and speak, read and write German fluently.

[Exterminator]

They would not have treated him because of his age and the cost.

So it isn't a case where that treatment isn't available in Canada but for one reason or another, he didn't qualify for it...sort of like our not putting alcoholics high on our list of liver transplant recipients.

[me]

So it isn't a case where that treatment isn't available in Canada but for one reason or another, he didn't qualify for it...sort of like our not putting alcoholics high on our list of liver transplant recipients.

He does not smoke or drink it is his age, 70's.  He is now back to work, he owns his own business, and doing well.  He has always been active and was in good health before the cancer struck. 
In case you want to come back with you usual sure business owner ya right probably a local nothing little business here is a link to his corporation: http://www.mklemme.com/pole/contact.html 

[Exterminator]

He does not smoke or drink it is his age, 70's.  He is now back to work, he owns his own business, and doing well.  He has always been active and was in good health before the cancer struck.

That notwithstanding and assuming what you are telling us is true, there was some reason why they refused to give him this specific treatment because it is not at all uncommon in Canada.  Your argument about his inability to get a specific treatment because Canada has universal health care doesn't hold water.
 

In case you want to come back with you usual sure business owner ya right probably a local nothing little business here is a link to his corporation: http://www.mklemme.com/pole/contact.html

I'm not sure in what language that sentence is supposed to be written but it looks like a nice little company.

[me]

If you had clicked around you would have seen this

ASK MR. K

M. Klemme Technology, Corp. was incorporated in 1996 by its founder Manfred Klemme with the intent to manufacture, in the USA, a superior boom pole for motion picture production sound mixers. This was recognized by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences with a Technical Achievement award in 1998. Manfred Klemme, also known as Mr. K, has been involved in motion picture sound for decades. For many years he was the top man at Nagra in Hollywood and has always been involved in the technical aspects of sound recording.

If this weren't already out for the public I would not have put it on a public forum.  Please refrain from calling me a liar in the future as I don't always want to divulge my sources of information because sometimes they don't belong on a public forum.  Maybe it's different in different provinces I don't know I'm just speaking for the one he is from but I'm telling you Universal health care is not all it's being said to be. 

[mcgonser]

Me: I don't know about you but I fon't think I have to prove anything to Ex or the others. He calls everyone a liar and stupid and he is wrong. So let him call names, who really cares. I plan on ignoring alot of it. I will state my opinion and don 't think I have to prove anything. Ex and the others like him don't prove it to us. So what makes them so SPECIAL? Nothing that I can see. Do what you want, I just wanted to tell you what I am doing. Good luck I really enjoy your posts. 

[me]

Thanks mcgonser.  Usually I do ignore him but today he just struck me wrong for some reason.  In this case though it was kind of like he was saying something snide about my family and it don't bother me when he makes snide remarks about me but making them about my family is an entirely different matter.  Think I'll take a chill pill, (not really taking anything), and go out and work in the yard for a while......