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This is exactly what we can expect from nationalized health care

Started by Gardengirl, April 30, 2009, 04:48:34 PM

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Gardengirl

April 30, 2009, 04:48:34 PM
When people fear the government, that is called tyranny
When the government fears its people, that is called liberty

LOsborne

#1
April 30, 2009, 07:03:44 PM
Quoted from the linked article:

She went to several private clinics where she was given various diagnoses and various treatments. However, her condition worsened...

So how does the fact that private clinics in Mexico failed to identify and treat the virus relate to nationalized health care?

Exterminator

#2
May 01, 2009, 09:27:27 AM
And why would we model our health care system after a third world country rather than, say, Germany or the Netherlands?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

dan foster

#3
May 01, 2009, 10:43:19 PM
We don't need nationalized health care.  We just need to make it ALL not-for-profit.  No medical decision should be based on raising the bottom line for shareholders of HMO's, Insurance Companies, or Pharmaceutical Companies.  They should all be forced to non-profits as no one should profit from the illness of others.  And, the insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies have only kept people sick in order to increase their profits.
"Wherever morality is based on theology, wherever right is made dependent on divine authority, the most immoral, unjust, infamous things can be justified and established." -- Ludwig Feuerbach, The Essence of Christianity, 1841

"A bottle of wine contains more philosophy than all the books in the world" Louis Pasteur

"It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so." -- Sir Arthur C. Clarke

DannyBoy

#4
May 01, 2009, 11:08:14 PM
Not a bad idea Dan.  The outrageous cost of health care is caused as much by lawyers than anything else.  Doctors and Institutions have to protect themselves from $50million law suits.

Exterminator

#5
May 02, 2009, 10:11:42 AM
Quote from: DannyBoy on May 01, 2009, 11:08:14 PM
Not a bad idea Dan.  The outrageous cost of health care is caused as much by lawyers than anything else.  Doctors and Institutions have to protect themselves from $50million law suits.

Again with the Rush Limbaugh parroting?  Dude, learn to think for yourself!
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

dan foster

#6
May 02, 2009, 11:39:34 AM
Quote from: Exterminator on May 02, 2009, 10:11:42 AM
Quote from: DannyBoy on May 01, 2009, 11:08:14 PM
Not a bad idea Dan.  The outrageous cost of health care is caused as much by lawyers than anything else.  Doctors and Institutions have to protect themselves from $50million law suits.

Again with the Rush Limbaugh parroting?  Dude, learn to think for yourself!

I think it is more the financial institution take over of health care.  The doctors are also to blame in that they no longer practice medicine, they only know the latest drug-rep's answer for the target of the week; high cholesterol, high blood pressure, PAD, et al. 

If we went strictly not-for-profit, the health care workers would still make the same money, they could still be sued, but ALL the financial incentives for denying treatment, coverage, and bad drug policies would go away.   There would also be a motivation by the pharmaceuticals to cure people, not continue to make them sick, or provide the illusion of better health from money-making drugs.
"Wherever morality is based on theology, wherever right is made dependent on divine authority, the most immoral, unjust, infamous things can be justified and established." -- Ludwig Feuerbach, The Essence of Christianity, 1841

"A bottle of wine contains more philosophy than all the books in the world" Louis Pasteur

"It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so." -- Sir Arthur C. Clarke

mcgonser

#7
May 03, 2009, 06:21:14 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on May 02, 2009, 10:11:42 AM
Quote from: DannyBoy on May 01, 2009, 11:08:14 PM
Not a bad idea Dan.  The outrageous cost of health care is caused as much by lawyers than anything else.  Doctors and Institutions have to protect themselves from $50million law suits.

Again with the Rush Limbaugh parroting?  Dude, learn to think for yourself!

Maybe great minds think alike Ex; It is possible for more than one person to form the same conclusion without hearing the others first. Good grief! I don't listen to Limbaugh but have agreed with some of the stuff I heard he said. So shoot me!
Thats my story and I'm sticking to it!

dan foster

#8
May 03, 2009, 09:54:37 PM
Quote from: mcgonser on May 03, 2009, 06:21:14 PMI don't listen to Limbaugh but have agreed with some of the stuff I heard he said. So shoot me!

You really shouldn't admit that in public, however...
"Wherever morality is based on theology, wherever right is made dependent on divine authority, the most immoral, unjust, infamous things can be justified and established." -- Ludwig Feuerbach, The Essence of Christianity, 1841

"A bottle of wine contains more philosophy than all the books in the world" Louis Pasteur

"It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so." -- Sir Arthur C. Clarke

DannyBoy

#9
May 03, 2009, 10:31:41 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on May 02, 2009, 10:11:42 AM
Quote from: DannyBoy on May 01, 2009, 11:08:14 PM
Not a bad idea Dan.  The outrageous cost of health care is caused as much by lawyers than anything else.  Doctors and Institutions have to protect themselves from $50million law suits.

Again with the Rush Limbaugh parroting?  Dude, learn to think for yourself!

Can't say I've listened to Rush very much in a long time.  I'm not much for fear mongering and spreading hate....unlike you EX.

Exterminator

#10
May 04, 2009, 07:22:11 AM
Quote from: mcgonser on May 03, 2009, 06:21:14 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on May 02, 2009, 10:11:42 AM
Quote from: DannyBoy on May 01, 2009, 11:08:14 PM
Not a bad idea Dan.  The outrageous cost of health care is caused as much by lawyers than anything else.  Doctors and Institutions have to protect themselves from $50million law suits.

Again with the Rush Limbaugh parroting?  Dude, learn to think for yourself!

Maybe great minds think alike Ex; It is possible for more than one person to form the same conclusion without hearing the others first. Good grief! I don't listen to Limbaugh but have agreed with some of the stuff I heard he said. So shoot me!

I'm sure nothing would give me more pleasure but I've got to call bullshit on your all having come to the same conclusion because there is no viable source of information that lead you there.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Exterminator

#11
May 04, 2009, 07:22:59 AM
Quote from: DannyBoy on May 03, 2009, 10:31:41 PM
Can't say I've listened to Rush very much in a long time.  I'm not much for fear mongering and spreading hate....unlike you EX.

LMFAO!  Yeah, I'm a fear-monger alright.   :rolleyes:

You really don't read well; do you?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

mcgonser

#12
May 04, 2009, 12:12:42 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on May 04, 2009, 07:22:59 AM
Quote from: DannyBoy on May 03, 2009, 10:31:41 PM
Can't say I've listened to Rush very much in a long time.  I'm not much for fear mongering and spreading hate....unlike you EX.

LMFAO!  Yeah, I'm a fear-monger alright.   :rolleyes:

You really don't read well; do you?

Thats my story and I'm sticking to it!

dan foster

#13
May 04, 2009, 01:09:07 PM
Yep, when I think of health care, I think of comedian limbaugh (or is that limpball?).  He epitomizes our current state; fat, stupid and addicted to prescription drugs.
"Wherever morality is based on theology, wherever right is made dependent on divine authority, the most immoral, unjust, infamous things can be justified and established." -- Ludwig Feuerbach, The Essence of Christianity, 1841

"A bottle of wine contains more philosophy than all the books in the world" Louis Pasteur

"It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so." -- Sir Arthur C. Clarke

mcgonser

#14
May 04, 2009, 07:48:02 PM
For a minute there I thought you were talking about Hollywood and  Media members. Just drop the fat, because they definitely keep themselves thin. But the rest fits them like a tee.  :)
Thats my story and I'm sticking to it!
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