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Feds knew flyover NYC would cause panic-ordered secrecy

Started by Gardengirl, April 28, 2009, 09:01:42 PM

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Exterminator

#45
April 30, 2009, 07:19:30 AM
Quote from: me on April 29, 2009, 04:27:23 PM
What you don't seem to understand Ex is that prior to 9/11 most of those people would have probably felt the same as you and would not have been afraid had something like that happened.  Seeing what Air Force One did brought all that back and they seen it happening again.

What you don't seem to understand is that my point was that there is nothing to be gained by running unless you know where the plane is going to impact.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

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Exterminator

#46
April 30, 2009, 07:23:44 AM
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on April 29, 2009, 11:29:20 PM
This was for publicity, marketing or something?

Couldn't they have simply announced that they were going to be doing some publicity photos?

They did but the information wasn't passed down to the correct authorities so the public could be notified.  It isn't as though someone was joy-riding in a 747 without a flight plan and NOTAM.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

me

#47
April 30, 2009, 07:27:45 AM
Quote from: Exterminator on April 30, 2009, 07:18:24 AM
Quote from: me on April 29, 2009, 05:13:40 PM
I think Ex would have to have a mind for anyone to be able to read it... :biggrin:

I'll bet you two old bats think you're funny; huh?
Equal opportunists...you jab at us....we jab at you...fair is fair.... :biggrin:
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me

#48
April 30, 2009, 07:30:49 AM
Quote from: Exterminator on April 30, 2009, 07:23:44 AM
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on April 29, 2009, 11:29:20 PM
This was for publicity, marketing or something?

Couldn't they have simply announced that they were going to be doing some publicity photos?

They did but the information wasn't passed down to the correct authorities so the public could be notified.  It isn't as though someone was joy-riding in a 747 without a flight plan and NOTAM.
QuoteFederal officials knew that sending two fighter jets and a 747 from the presidential fleet to buzz ground zero and Lady Liberty might set off nightmarish fears of a 9/11 replay, but they still ordered the photo-op kept secret from the public.

In a memo obtained by CBS 2 HD, the Federal Aviation Administration's James Johnston said the agency was aware of "the possibility of public concern regarding DOD (Department of Defense) aircraft flying at low altitudes" in an around New York City. But they demanded total secrecy from the NYPD, the Secret Service, the FBI and even the mayor's office and threatened federal sanctions if the secret got out.
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Exterminator

#49
April 30, 2009, 07:46:58 AM
Quote from: me on April 30, 2009, 07:30:49 AM
Quote from: Exterminator on April 30, 2009, 07:23:44 AM
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on April 29, 2009, 11:29:20 PM
This was for publicity, marketing or something?

Couldn't they have simply announced that they were going to be doing some publicity photos?

They did but the information wasn't passed down to the correct authorities so the public could be notified.  It isn't as though someone was joy-riding in a 747 without a flight plan and NOTAM.
QuoteFederal officials knew that sending two fighter jets and a 747 from the presidential fleet to buzz ground zero and Lady Liberty might set off nightmarish fears of a 9/11 replay, but they still ordered the photo-op kept secret from the public.

In a memo obtained by CBS 2 HD, the Federal Aviation Administration's James Johnston said the agency was aware of "the possibility of public concern regarding DOD (Department of Defense) aircraft flying at low altitudes" in an around New York City. But they demanded total secrecy from the NYPD, the Secret Service, the FBI and even the mayor's office and threatened federal sanctions if the secret got out.

So, it filtered all of the way down to a clerk in the mayor's office but they weren't allowed to tell the public...pretty stupid.  I wonder what the rationale was for not making a public announcement; possibly a security issue with someone trying to down the plane?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

me

#50
April 30, 2009, 07:51:36 AM
What ever the rational was it was just plain insensitive and stupid.
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LOsborne

#51
April 30, 2009, 07:58:45 AM
Quote from: me on April 29, 2009, 11:36:00 PM
http://www.history.com/content/air-force-one/did-you-know
Thank you for the source, me.

However, Henry said, "Did you know that there are only two Boeing 747's that act as Air Force One?...and every time Obama goes someplace...both of them fly."

The history.com link says there were two VC-25 jets (now I want to know what happened to the other VC-25,) and that the back-up flies with the president on every overseas trip. Accompanying the president (any president, not just Obama) on overseas trips is not the same as "and every time Obama goes someplace...both of them fly."

See how important it is to check the statement against the source?

mcgonser

#52
April 30, 2009, 11:57:26 AM
Picky, picky LO: He was at least half right and thats what matters I would think.  ;D :biggrin: :yes:
Thats my story and I'm sticking to it!

Bo D

#53
May 05, 2009, 08:36:24 AM
Quote from: mcgonser on April 30, 2009, 11:57:26 AM
Picky, picky LO: He was at least half right and thats what matters I would think.  ;D :biggrin: :yes:

Yeah ... even a broken clock is right twice a day.  :rolleyes:
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Henry Hawk

#54
May 05, 2009, 11:32:36 AM
The $328,835 snapshots of an Air Force One backup plane buzzing lower Manhattan last week will not be shown to the public, the White House said yesterday.

now THAT was money WELL spent!!..
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Ma and Pa

#55
May 05, 2009, 11:51:32 AM
Well, Hank, the farmer doesn't show his account books to his cows and chickens, does he?   :confused:

Henry Hawk

#56
May 05, 2009, 11:53:35 AM
Quote from: Bo D on May 05, 2009, 08:36:24 AM
Quote from: mcgonser on April 30, 2009, 11:57:26 AM
Picky, picky LO: He was at least half right and thats what matters I would think.  ;D :biggrin: :yes:

Yeah ... even a broken clock is right twice a day.  :rolleyes:

well, that is what I "believed" to be true....though I cannot find anything to back it up...other than what "me" reported...but that was not part of the story that I was trying to make a point upon...the fact was, somebody on the administration KNEW what they was doing...and goofed up...and there is little being said about it....

it was not something 'funny' that happened....
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Henry Hawk

#57
May 05, 2009, 11:54:58 AM
Quote from: Ma and Pa on May 05, 2009, 11:51:32 AM
Well, Hank, the farmer doesn't show his account books to his cows and chickens, does he?   :confused:

and he does not send the fox out to feed the chickens either... :razz: ;)

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Bo D

#58
May 05, 2009, 12:10:44 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 05, 2009, 11:53:35 AM
Quote from: Bo D on May 05, 2009, 08:36:24 AM
Quote from: mcgonser on April 30, 2009, 11:57:26 AM
Picky, picky LO: He was at least half right and thats what matters I would think.  ;D :biggrin: :yes:

Yeah ... even a broken clock is right twice a day.  :rolleyes:

...but that was not part of the story that I was trying to make a point upon...



Yet is was you who breached the subject ....

Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 29, 2009, 05:07:25 PM
Did you know that there are only two Boeing 747's that act as Air Force One?...and every time Obama goes someplace...both of them fly. 

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Exterminator

#59
May 05, 2009, 12:17:16 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 05, 2009, 11:53:35 AM
well, that is what I "believed" to be true....though I cannot find anything to back it up...

You should make this your signature line.   :biggrin:
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.
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