Congress sucks...

[Henry Hawk]

 
It is really amazing how dicked up our congress REALLY is right now...by raising the federal debt limit by $1.9 T R I L L I O N .....

Obama himself just recently "lectured' at a townhall..."When times are tough, you tighten your belts. You don't go buying a boat when you can barely pay your mortgage. You don't blow a bunch of cash on Vegas when you're trying to save for college."

Then he has the gall, to spend trillions of dollars we DO NOT HAVE....times ARE tough....we need to tighten our belts....and don't go buying....but, THAT is what he is going to do.

what disappoints me is, the folks on here who would be outraged had this been a republican doing this....as a mater of fact, many of you was pissin and moanin with the spending that was done with Bush..

and just to appease ALL of my liberal buddies.........here are some GREAT talking points that are going around.....

that this new debt is approximately 5,300 additional dollars of debt for every man, woman and child in the United States... and that's just for this year.

and this one is the really amazing....

his overall budget is $3.8 trillion .....
Let's put this in some sort of perspective....

George Clooney's telethon for Haiti raised $66 million. 

Big number, right? 

Well, George Clooney would have to have a $66 million telethon every day for the next 158 years to match Obama's spending in this budget.

A $66 million telethon every day for the next 158 years!

say what you want, but sooner or later, those of you who claim you are "intellectually Honest"...will very soon, figure out that this POTUS and congress is NOT a good thing for this nation....

so go ahead and be all uppity and have your good Ole laughs...Hank stood by his buddies, despite everything....

[Y]

It is really amazing how dicked up our congress REALLY is right now...by raising the federal debt limit by $1.9 T R I L L I O N .....

Then he has the gall, to spend trillions of dollars we DO NOT HAVE....

A) do you understand that raising the debt ceiling is not actually spending money?; B) do you know how much of any money that will actually be spent will be spent to cover obligations made by previous presidents and congresses?

Hank, please show me you have some understanding of how our government actually works.

[Henry Hawk]

I'm not claiming to be an expert at Government ...but, raising the debt limit SHOULD not be happening...no mater WHO's fault it is...........it is time to STOP spending MORE than we are putting out...........and THIS can be done....frivolous spending is ridicules.....and cramming a Healthcare Bill that is going to cost TRILLION is wrong....PERIOD....

please show me that YOU also have some understanding and quit acting like EVERYTHING they are doing is okay, just because they are democrats.

[me]

A) do you understand that raising the debt ceiling is not actually spending money?; B) do you know how much of any money that will actually be spent will be spent to cover obligations made by previous presidents and congresses?

Hank, please show me you have some understanding of how our government actually works.

And do you understand that raising the debt ceiling is a way of being able to increase spending and say you are keeping the debt down since you have more room to work with?  Its a game pure and simple.  Its like saying we can spend this much more and still stay within the budget.  If there is no money with the lower debt ceiling there is still no money with a higher one.  Former administrations and what they spent have nothing to do with the debt ceiling being raised now.

[Y]

I'm not claiming to be an expert at Government ...but, raising the debt limit SHOULD not be happening...no mater WHO's fault it is

Apparently you don't understand finances.  Part of the proper managing of finances is the management of debt.  Sometimes it is proper management to increase your debt ceiling. 

The position you take here means you must prove why this isn't a proper course of action by the government at this time.

Not only do I suspect you can't do it, I also suspect you won't try and will either have some lame excuse or ignore it altogether.  We'll address why later.

...........it is time to STOP spending MORE than we are putting out...........and THIS can be done....frivolous spending is ridicules

You can't simply paint all spending as frivolous.  That's typical 'conservative' (read: reactionary) fringe spiel, and shows you neither have an understanding of government/society nor have put much thought into your position(s).

.....and cramming a Healthcare Bill that is going to cost TRILLION is wrong....PERIOD....

1) since when are the actual costs of any bill known until it's actually law and in effect?

2) how is providing health care for our citizens wrong?

3) what is the purpose of government, Hank?

please show me that YOU also have some understanding and quit acting like EVERYTHING they are doing is okay, just because they are democrats.

You shouldn't assume, Hank, it paints you with foolishness when your shown to be wrong, and you've know me long enough to know better. 

A recap:

Democraps, Repuglicans, I'm neither and find both major political parties more interested in being self-serving than not.  If anything, progressive prolly describes my political leanings as much as anything.  My politics are actually a political olio whose major lines of thought have to do with natural rights, the rule of law, and having a government and society that allows the maximum personal freedom within the constraints of a society that leaves no worthy member behind.

[Y]

And do you understand that raising the debt ceiling is a way of being able to increase spending and say you are keeping the debt down since you have more room to work with?  Its a game pure and simple.  Its like saying we can spend this much more and still stay within the budget.  If there is no money with the lower debt ceiling there is still no money with a higher one.  Former administrations and what they spent have nothing to do with the debt ceiling being raised now.

Can you actually substantiate any of that with facts and evidence?

[me]

Can you actually substantiate any of that with facts and evidence?

Common sense my dear sir just plain common sense.  If you have a household budget and are just barely living within it does it give you more money if you increase the budget?  Answer:  No it doesn't but it allows you to spend more money and still tell people you're staying within your budget even though you really are going over your original budget which you were just barely making in the first place.

[dan foster]

It is really amazing how dicked up our congress REALLY is right now...by raising the federal debt limit by $1.9 T R I L L I O N .....

Obama himself just recently "lectured' at a townhall..."When times are tough, you tighten your belts. You don't go buying a boat when you can barely pay your mortgage. You don't blow a bunch of cash on Vegas when you're trying to save for college."

Then he has the gall, to spend trillions of dollars we DO NOT HAVE....times ARE tough....we need to tighten our belts....and don't go buying....but, THAT is what he is going to do.

what disappoints me is, the folks on here who would be outraged had this been a republican doing this....as a mater of fact, many of you was pissin and moanin with the spending that was done with Bush..

and just to appease ALL of my liberal buddies.........here are some GREAT talking points that are going around.....

that this new debt is approximately 5,300 additional dollars of debt for every man, woman and child in the United States... and that's just for this year.

and this one is the really amazing....

his overall budget is $3.8 trillion .....
Let's put this in some sort of perspective....

George Clooney's telethon for Haiti raised $66 million. 

Big number, right? 

Well, George Clooney would have to have a $66 million telethon every day for the next 158 years to match Obama's spending in this budget.

A $66 million telethon every day for the next 158 years!

say what you want, but sooner or later, those of you who claim you are "intellectually Honest"...will very soon, figure out that this POTUS and congress is NOT a good thing for this nation....

so go ahead and be all uppity and have your good Ole laughs...Hank stood by his buddies, despite everything....

So, where were you assholes when a republican congress, driven by a republican president spent us into this mess?  Your selective, short-term memory is amazing.  Bush inherited a sizable surplus from a democratic president.   But, you do realize it is Congress that actually spends the money, do you not?

[me]

So, where were you assholes when a republican congress, driven by a republican president spent us into this mess?  Your selective, short-term memory is amazing.  Bush inherited a sizable surplus from a democratic president.   But, you do realize it is Congress that actually spends the money, do you not?

With the help of Katrina and 9/11 and a couple of other bad hurricanes and some forest fires.  So far there have been no sizable disasters for this administration to deal with.  Ya'll keep forgetting to include those little disasters among the expenditures of the former administration.

[mr. willy]

See for yourself" by going here:
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo4.htm
and here:
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm

The debt went up each year. There was no $236.2 billion surplus. NEVER HAPPENED.

[Sandy Eggo]

willy, you remind me of someone

[Palehorse]

With the help of Katrina and 9/11 and a couple of other bad hurricanes and some forest fires.  So far there have been no sizable disasters for this administration to deal with.  Ya'll keep forgetting to include those little disasters among the expenditures of the former administration.

So, this economic downturn, mass unemployment, and tanking financial district are not disasters to you?
Humm. . . makes one wonder. . .

[me]

So, this economic downturn, mass unemployment, and tanking financial district are not disasters to you?
Humm. . . makes one wonder. . .

It was not headed off properly the other was completely unexpected. 

[Exterminator]

And do you understand that raising the debt ceiling is a way of being able to increase spending and say you are keeping the debt down since you have more room to work with?  Its a game pure and simple.  Its like saying we can spend this much more and still stay within the budget.  If there is no money with the lower debt ceiling there is still no money with a higher one.  Former administrations and what they spent have nothing to do with the debt ceiling being raised now.

Anyone who could read this and come to the conclusion that anything could be gained by wasting his/her time trying to explain to this poster the difference between the debt ceiling and the budget needs to seriously reconsider.   

[me]

Anyone who could read this and come to the conclusion that anything could be gained by wasting his/her time trying to explain to this poster the difference between the debt ceiling and the budget needs to seriously reconsider.   

Does not raising the debt ceiling increase the budget by allowing more room to increase the debt?  Kind of like we have a debt ceiling of $50 and we're actually in debt $100 so we'll raise the ceiling to $150 and it won't look so bad and we can spend more and still appear to be staying within our ceiling amount. It still comes down to the money isn't there and increasing the ceiling or budget is not going to make it magically appear.