Congress sucks...

[dan foster]

Medicare is FREE 

and is gov't fucking run health care, dickwad, paid by a payroll tax.  So, just what the fuck is free about it?

[mr. willy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6_xgKWzhRw&feature=player_embedded

Cafferty on Pelosi

[me]

and is gov't fucking run health care, dickwad, paid by a payroll tax.  So, just what the fuck is free about it?

I believe the quote being referred to by mr. Willy was this one and you're right, medicare is anything but free. 

You didn't ask who is going to pay for this "free" health care. You asked The legislators and insurance are going to pay for health care? But I'll answer you. There isn't any NEW free health care. Everything in the bill has to be paid for. You know that if you have read it. (Have you?) The only FREE health care is the stuff that has been around for years: Medicaid and Medicare. Oh yeah, and SSDI. Right now, I pay for that, and all the other people drawing wages, or unemployment insurance (which is taxable, ya know.) The wealthy don't pay because all their money is sheltered.

Are you on Medicare, me? Because if you are, you have lost all credibility. Not that you had much left after that last attempt to pretend you asked something you didn't.

Keep in mind, we can all page back to check the words you actually typed. And most of us know how to check sources.

[mr. willy]

LOsborne
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Re: Congress sucks...
« Reply #335 on: Today at 08:26:06 PM »QuoteQuote from: me on Today at 08:04:28 PM
That didn't answer my question about who is going to pay for this "free" health care now did it?  Read veeeerrrrryyyy slowly....where is all this money going to come from to pay for this health insurance for everyone?


You didn't ask who is going to pay for this "free" health care. You asked The legislators and insurance are going to pay for health care? But I'll answer you. There isn't any NEW free health care. Everything in the bill has to be paid for. You know that if you have read it. (Have you?) The only FREE health care is the stuff that has been around for years: Medicaid and Medicare. Oh yeah, and SSDI. Right now, I pay for that, and all the other people drawing wages, or unemployment insurance (which is taxable, ya know.) The wealthy don't pay because all their money is sheltered.

Are you on Medicare, me? Because if you are, you have lost all credibility. Not that you had much left after that last attempt to pretend you asked something you didn't.

Keep in mind, we can all page back to check the words you actually typed. And most of us know how to check sources.

Posted by: dan foster Posted on: Today at 09:30:38 PM Insert Quote
Quote from: mr. willy on Today at 09:27:53 PM
Medicare is FREE   



and is gov't fucking run health care, dickwad, paid by a payroll tax.  So, just what the fuck is free about it?

[Palehorse]

 

[Palehorse]

Reading this topic is like watching a rerun of the Stooges in "Disorder in the Court"!

[LOsborne]

And who is going to pay for those who still can't afford it?

The same people who do now. Taxpayers. The only thing I'm seeing new in this bill is the strictures on insurance companies to stop denying coverage and raising rates if you use the insurance. The invoice still comes to me. It always has.

And as for whether or not Medicare is free ... I believe one of the horrors all you Chicken Littles are hollering about is the idea that Medicare will be taken away. If it isn't a gimme, why do you care?

I don't read Willy, me. Sorry. He's a waste of time. But just for you, I read this whole page. I don't see a question.

[me]

The same people who do now. Taxpayers. The only thing I'm seeing new in this bill is the strictures on insurance companies to stop denying coverage and raising rates if you use the insurance. The invoice still comes to me. It always has.

And as for whether or not Medicare is free ... I believe one of the horrors all you Chicken Littles are hollering about is the idea that Medicare will be taken away. If it isn't a gimme, why do you care?

I don't read Willy, me. Sorry. He's a waste of time. But just for you, I read this whole page. I don't see a question.

I have asked the question several times in different threads and it is always avoided.  Taxes are going to be raised on the middle class as well as the upper class because they will have to.  We will also be paying for this for 3 or 4yrs before it even takes effect so we will be paying for something we're not getting making it even more difficult for us now because our income will be even less.

[Exterminator]

I have asked the question several times in different threads and it is always avoided.  Taxes are going to be raised on the middle class as well as the upper class because they will have to.  We will also be paying for this for 3 or 4yrs before it even takes effect so we will be paying for something we're not getting making it even more difficult for us now because our income will be even less.

What's with all of this 'we' and 'us' and 'our' bullshit; you don't work.  And the claim you made a couple of weeks ago about how everyone would be complaining when they see their new paychecks this year is also false.  I just looked at my remittance advice for tomorrow's pay and it hasn't changed at all.  You're clueless.

[LOsborne]

Taxes are going to be raised on the middle class as well as the upper class because they will have to...

The sky is falling, the sky is falling! I hope you will understand when I do not take the opinion you express about something that is going to happen as gospel. After all, the Iraqi War was going to paid for with all the oil we would get. Al-Qaeda was going to launch an attack on the mainland US on (choose one) New Year's Eve 2002--election day 2004--super Bowl Sunday every year--your own favorite day for the apocalypse. Perhaps we should start calling all these dire events the apocryphalypse.

Show me an increased tax bill -- or a bill on the floor of the house or senate raising taxes on the middle class... excuse me, the vanishing middle class, and I'll pay you some mind.

[me]

What's with all of this 'we' and 'us' and 'our' bullshit; you don't work.  And the claim you made a couple of weeks ago about how everyone would be complaining when they see their new paychecks this year is also false.  I just looked at my remittance advice for tomorrow's pay and it hasn't changed at all.  You're clueless.

I may not be working now but I did and for a lot of years and two jobs plus raising three kids at times so come down off of that holier than thou attitude like you're paying my way or something.

[Exterminator]

I may not be working now but I did and for a lot of years and two jobs plus raising three kids at times so come down off of that holier than thou attitude like you're paying my way or something.

I'm only pointing out how disingenuous it is for you to keep rattling on about how much this hurts "us" when you aren't paying for any of it.  In truth, yes, those of us who are working are paying your way.

And don't expect any sympathy from me for raising your kids that you chose to have.

[me]

I'm only pointing out how disingenuous it is for you to keep rattling on about how much this hurts "us" when you aren't paying for any of it.  In truth, yes, those of us who are working are paying your way.

And don't expect any sympathy from me for raising your kids that you chose to have.

I don't expect any sympathy from you for anything and I enjoyed raising my kids.  The way you keep pointing out that I am not working comes across to me as though you are making a put down which is not appreciated.  I have done my time and earned my right to retirement and, yes, I am helping pay my own way because, with the exception of the last couple of years, I too pay taxes.  I am figuring that I will again be paying taxes this year since the Bush tax cut expired.

[dan foster]

I don't expect any sympathy from you for anything and I enjoyed raising my kids.  The way you keep pointing out that I am not working comes across to me as though you are making a put down which is not appreciated.  I have done my time and earned my right to retirement and, yes, I am helping pay my own way because, with the exception of the last couple of years, I too pay taxes.  I am figuring that I will again be paying taxes this year since the Bush tax cut expired.

so if you were covered under the bush tax cuts; you are retired, AND VERY WEALTHY?

[mr. willy]

In truth, yes, those of us who are working are paying your way.

As if the ones that is on retirement now didn't pay for the ones that retired before.

Someone is got a lot of crap on this forum !!!!!!