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Henry Hawk

#60
April 15, 2009, 09:36:17 AM
Quote from: Exterminator on April 15, 2009, 08:53:52 AM
Oh for christ's sake, if you can't understand the intent of the language of the Constitution (and it was well elaborated on afterward by the signers so that even dimwits like you couldn't get it wrong) then you're a buffoon.  If religion is such a part of that document, why isn't your god and the baby geebuz mentioned anywhere in it even once?

what's a mater, you getting pissed?...I asked a question....the First Amendment does NOT say ANYTHING about separation of Church and state....I never said religion is part of the document....I said, our forefathers DID include religion in their governing affairs....why did they buy the bibles then?...whey did they proclaim Thanksgiving?..just to name a few.  Religion WAS important to our forefathers....this is very evident.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Ma and Pa

#61
April 15, 2009, 09:43:52 AM
Ex: I fully agree with you on this: the language of the Constitution is fairly explicit, and only buffoons have trouble intrepreting it. Problem is we've had way too many buffoons on the Supreme Court over the last 50 years or so!  JMHO.

Henry Hawk

#62
April 15, 2009, 09:53:41 AM
Quote from: Ma and Pa on April 15, 2009, 09:43:52 AM
Ex: I fully agree with you on this: the language of the Constitution is fairly explicit, and only buffoons have trouble intrepreting it. Problem is we've had way too many buffoons on the Supreme Court over the last 50 years or so!  JMHO.

Pa, then WHY did our forefathers WANT religous activities involved in government affairs?...

before everybody jumps on me....I"m NOT saying that I think that we should be forcing ANY religion upon the people...that is NOT the argument here...I am just asking a question....this is a newly found argument for me...after doing some reading on this...it seems like these guys preferred religion as part of their governing duties..
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#63
April 15, 2009, 09:56:20 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 15, 2009, 09:36:17 AM
what's a mater, you getting pissed?...

Ignorance and those who would try to twist our Constitution into something it is not annoys me.

QuoteI asked a question....the First Amendment does NOT say ANYTHING about separation of Church and state....I never said religion is part of the document...

It does not use those exact words, no, but, as I have mentioned before and you would know if you cared to learn, the signers made it very clear thereafter what they meant and yes, those exact words were used.  To say otherwise is either ignorance or an outright lie.

QuoteI said, our forefathers DID include religion in their governing affairs....

Bullshit.

Quotewhy did they buy the bibles then?...

Because they recognized that many of the citizens were Christian and were unable to import English language bibles because of the war.  It was clearly meant as a conciliation rather than an endorsement.

Quotewhey did they proclaim Thanksgiving?..just to name a few.

Their use of the word 'god' in that declaration doesn't refer to your god but any god or even nature itself much in the same way the word 'creator' was bandied about at the time.  Your grasping onto it as having any real meaning as it relates to your beliefs is assinine.

QuoteReligion WAS important to some of our forefathers....this is very evident.

And it wasn't necessarily the Christian religion either which many clearly viewed with absolute contempt.  Still others thought religion is total crap.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#64
April 15, 2009, 09:59:05 AM
very weak... :no:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#65
April 15, 2009, 09:59:31 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 15, 2009, 09:53:41 AM
....this is a newly found argument for me...after doing some reading on this...

The only reading you've been doing is on sites you visit for the sole purpose of proving the U.S. is as much a theocracy as, say, Iraq and then you come here and regurgitate the same crap.  Heaven forbid you do some actual research and apply critical thinking skills to the question.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Exterminator

#66
April 15, 2009, 10:00:12 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 15, 2009, 09:59:05 AM
very weak... :no:

Yes, you are...weak minded and easily led.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#67
April 15, 2009, 10:01:45 AM
Quote from: Exterminator on April 15, 2009, 09:59:31 AM
The only reading you've been doing is on sites you visit for the sole purpose of proving the U.S. is as much a theocracy as, say, Iraq and then you come here and regurgitate the same crap.  Heaven forbid you do some actual research and apply critical thinking skills to the question.

I think the library of congress is a great site to do research on...and I HAVE BEEN doing some very critical thinking on this...maybe it is YOU that should take of your tunnel vision glasses and read this...
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Henry Hawk

#68
April 15, 2009, 10:08:53 AM
in 1782, Congress adopted (and has reaffirmed on numerous subsequent occasions) the National Seal with its Latin motto `Annuit Coeptis,' meaning `God has favored our undertakings,' along with the eye of Providence in a triangle over a pyramid, the eye and the motto `allude to the many signal interpositions of Providence in favor of the American cause...
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#69
April 15, 2009, 10:09:25 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 15, 2009, 10:01:45 AM
I think the library of congress is a great site to do research on...and I HAVE BEEN doing some very critical thinking on this...maybe it is YOU that should take of your tunnel vision glasses and read this...

How can you claim to be thinking critically when you see everything through the prism of your bible?  You really don't get it; do you?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

mcgonser

#70
April 15, 2009, 10:13:00 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 15, 2009, 10:01:45 AM
I think the library of congress is a great site to do research on...and I HAVE BEEN doing some very critical thinking on this...maybe it is YOU that should take of your tunnel vision glasses and read this...

Bravo Hawk:  Well said  ;D :biggrin: :yes:
Thats my story and I'm sticking to it!

Henry Hawk

#71
April 15, 2009, 10:13:55 AM
In 1789, Congress, in the midst of framing the Bill of Rights and the First Amendment, passed the first Federal law touching education, declaring that `Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged'...


I get it....even more so NOW, than EVER....it is people like you who is 'duping' your errant thoughts as facts...when, I have in the last hour read...from the library of congress....facts to support my train of thought.

where are is PROOF... that what I am saying is wrong?..... :confused:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

mcgonser

#72
April 15, 2009, 10:14:46 AM
Yea! right on!
Thats my story and I'm sticking to it!

Exterminator

#73
April 15, 2009, 10:15:10 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 15, 2009, 10:08:53 AM
in 1782, Congress adopted (and has reaffirmed on numerous subsequent occasions) the National Seal with its Latin motto `Annuit Coeptis,' meaning `God has favored our undertakings,' along with the eye of Providence in a triangle over a pyramid, the eye and the motto `allude to the many signal interpositions of Providence in favor of the American cause...

Which part of THEIR USE OF 'GOD' WAS A GENERIC TERM THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A PARTICULAR GOD AND COULD VERY WELL BE REPLACED WITH 'NATURE' IF THAT'S WHAT SOMEONE'S BELIEFS WERE is difficult for you to grasp.

BTW, your arrogant attitude that the whole country is based on and here to serve Christians is exactly the problem that people like me have with your religious beliefs.  That you simultaneously attempt to prove that our rule of law is based on your bible and say you're not trying to shove your beliefs down the rest of our throats is bullshit.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Exterminator

#74
April 15, 2009, 10:16:01 AM
Quote from: mcgonser on April 15, 2009, 10:14:46 AM
Yea! right on!

You could have just said, "Yee haw!"  It's all the same.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.
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