Same sex marriage - why such a big deal

[Henry Hawk]

Careful Hank. . . Doesn't that same book require a wife to be subservient to her husband? That is going to get you crossways of a majority of the females I know! 

...you are RIGHT about that.. ..but, if you really read what it says...though the wife is submit themselves unto their husbands...the husband is to his wife above all other human beings...they are to be as ONE...AND THAT is the beautiful part of...a Biblical Marriage....it goes into great detail of how a man and wife are to work together as one....and I think, if it was done as taught....it would have eliminated many of the problems our society faces today.

so I am NOT trying to get 'crossways' with you ladies out there....just making an observation...(thaks PH..

[mcgonser]

No offense here Henry: I try not to argue about God's meaning or instruction for Christians.  The bible also entails the responsibilities of the husband to his wife. It is beautiful reading and I believe in the God's laws of marriage.

[Palehorse]

I have to somewhat agree with Dan's perspective on this one. Government has ZERO business declaring a union of same sex individuals right or wrong from a religious aspect. They should remain separate as intended.

This being said, what is the problem with a civil ceremony undertaken to "legalize" a partnership amongst two individuals that happen to be of the same sex? Is it any less meaningful, does it not demonstrate commitment in much the same way as a religious ceremony is intended. Does it not carry the "promise" to each other?

It does, and in fact many traditional couples choose this venue over religious venues; always have and always will.

Many employers already recognize "significant others" and extend health, life insurance benefits to these couples; both traditional and alternative. Even without the "legalization" of it whether religious or civil. 

I also agree with Dannyboy, the never ending debate needs to stop. Government should step to the plate, tell the zealots to get out of government, and officially recognize same sex civil unions/ceremonies.

As to the question of whether it is wrong or right, is it not between the practitioners and the creator in the first place? The only real objections are based upon fear mongering and opinions formed from a book of letters written and edited by humankind.

Who among us can prove that anything the creator has constructed was wrong or a mistake? Isn't that what you are saying when you tell those wishing to lead an alternative lifestyle no?

[Palehorse]

. . .  The bible also entails the responsibilities of the husband to his wife. It is beautiful reading and I believe in the God's laws of marriage.

Both ways. And I know a battalion of females that would pitch a deadly fit should their husbands even broach the subject of holding them to said "instruction".

[mcgonser]

and that is something PH that should be worked out in any marriage or relationship between 2 people. These are instructions from God on how a good marriage works, its left up to us to choose(free will)

[Palehorse]

. . . its left up to us to choose(free will)

And yet humankind deems anyone different as an outcast of society unless they "go with the flow". How hypocritical is that?

I submit that "free will" is nothing more than a panacea; also created by humankind in order to elicit compliance from the masses to the will of a select few.

[pariann]

And yet humankind deems anyone different as an outcast of society unless they "go with the flow". How hypocritical is that?

I submit that "fee will" is nothing more than a panacea; also created by humankind in order to elicit compliance from the masses to the will of a select few.

Well, I'll be danged, I didn't realize I was being charged a fee to make choices.

[Palehorse]

Well, I'll be danged, I didn't realize I was being charged a fee to make choices.

Well shit. . .

[Henry Hawk]

yes, but I still love him....as a brother....on the internet. 

[LOsborne]

...Government should step to the plate, tell the zealots to get out of government...

Yes. True Believers of any stripe distract from the necessary business of administering policies and funding. If we could get back all the time and money wasted on debating and proselytizing (for or against) such non-issues as flag burning and gay marriage, perhaps something could actually be done about the run-off of our manufacturing jobs.

[Locutus]

And I know a battalion of females that would pitch a deadly fit should their husbands even broach the subject of holding them to said "instruction".

That battalion also includes absolutely every girl I've ever dated in the past.

[dan foster]

What's the difference?  Sounds to me like a civil union would be exactly the same as a marriage.......so why would there be more of them than marriages?  People marry out of commitment.  A civil union would still be a commitment.   So....what is the difference?

Marriage is a religious institution a civil union a secular one; one that can become part of law, vice the religious union. 

[dan foster]

Well, I'm not going to preach or pull out any verses.....maybe I'm just old fashion...but, those words in the Bible DO  mean something to me....God is clear about what a marriage SHOULD be....and I believe Him.

I think IF we would follow the word of God, the way He means it, we would NOT have the troubles we are facing in this world...such as divorces, drugs, child abuse and on and on.

Hey, like i have said before, I do NOT have ANY hatred towards two people of the same sex who "love" each other...I just feel that..marriage IS a sacred event, between a man and a woman....period....not going to change my mind about this....EVER.

And you just gave every reason why the gov't should not have anything to do with marriages.  It is a religious institution.  You can still get married in a church, but the state should not recognize the union until the licenses have been submitted and the social contract is enacted as a civil union, as well.  Two people can be married and be in a civil union, just as two people who forgo marriage in a church can be in a civil union.  It really isn't that hard to understand, is it? 

[pariann]

I have a marriage license.  (from when i was married) I did not get married in a church, or with a religious ceremony.  I did have to repeat that I agreed to be married to a Notary. 

Will this civil union include saying those vows, and making a public commitment in front of 2 witnesses?  If so, I have to say, I see no difference between a civil union and a marriage.  I wasn't any less married because I didn't get married in a church or by a preacher.

[mcgonser]

blah blah blah-Your are like a stuck record. Repeating yourself-Dan