Nazi brown shirts again?

[dan foster]

He sure had no influence on my parents and it was the next generation up from me who are the ones the influence was the most noticed in. As far as I know no one paid any attention to him until the late 50's and early 60's.

Rather convenient for both of you to simply dismiss the facts and I doubt you ever discussed what method of child rearing your parents gave you.  I lived through all of it and know for a fact that spock is a boomer phenom.  So, you will just have to live with your peers, spocked or not.  No matter what your upbringing is, your attitude that somehow the latter generations were inferior or manner less, or whatever, doesn't wash.  You are just being a couple of old farts.

[Ma and Pa]

One of the reasons Dr. Spock became so popular in the 60's with Boomers (yeah, I'm one too) besides his high-profile opposition to the Viet Nam war and the draft, was his viewpoint that we (youth) were special; that our ideas and ideologies were fresh and vibrant, and should be given credence: in essence, that we should go to the head of the line without having to establish our credentials, or pay our dues. Maybe that didn't work out the way the doc hoped it would.

[mcgonser]

Rather convenient for both of you to simply dismiss the facts and I doubt you ever discussed what method of child rearing your parents gave you.  I lived through all of it and know for a fact that spock is a boomer phenom.  So, you will just have to live with your peers, spocked or not.  No matter what your upbringing is, your attitude that somehow the latter generations were inferior or manner less, or whatever, doesn't wash.  You are just being a couple of old farts.

Which facts? That he published a book that did not become popular until the 60's. That I lived during that time and know for a fact what happened or that you don't get it.
By the way that is Mrs. Fart to you. Hard for you to admit your wrong huh???

[mcgonser]

Its rather conveinient for you to state the facts but now show them. Did you suck them out of your thumb????

[dan foster]

One of the reasons Dr. Spock became so popular in the 60's with Boomers (yeah, I'm one too) besides his high-profile opposition to the Viet Nam war and the draft, was his viewpoint that we (youth) were special; that our ideas and ideologies were fresh and vibrant, and should be given credence: in essence, that we should go to the head of the line without having to establish our credentials, or pay our dues. Maybe that didn't work out the way the doc hoped it would.

I never agreed that spock was right or that his methodologies were anything of worth. 

However, he isn't the source of the ills of the boomer generation as I don't think there are any more ills in the boomers than there are in the gen-x or millennials.  Each generation has its own values, good and bad, but none are better or worse than any other.  To think so is old-fartism and nothing more than limited knowledge or just plain ignorance about, well, just about everything.  My mom knew of spock, but didn't approve.  Her sister, my aunt, did and her kids were pathetic.  Proof of spock?  No.  However, just because they never got spock in the trailer court, doesn't mean a whole generation of boomers wasn't exposed to it, from 1946 to 1965.  The post spock 70's gave us the assholes that danced to disco in the 80's, and it doesn't get much worse than that 

So far, these assclowns; mcnoser and me, haven't really talked about the merits of spock, only about how he ruined the generations after the boomers, failing, or refusing to admit it IS the boomers spock influenced.  They are looking for that blame of the lazy, no good, next generation as any old fart will tell you is, or has gone, to hell in a handbasket, goddam kids. 

[mcgonser]

And that is why we have young people now that are dependable, honorable, disciplined and respectful? Actually we do have young people like this just not the majority.
Instead we have the ME ME ME ones. Whats in it for me. I don't have to put up with that me. I will do what ever I want whenever I want me. Its too much trouble me.
Oh, and these are the same young people who elected Obama. God Help Us! JMO

[Sandy Eggo]

So, programs designed to encourage young people to participate in giving back, teach them social/civic responsibility (because obviously the parents aren't doing it - even though they should) is a bad thing? Giving them responsibility for something other than ME ME ME certainly couldn't be useful. Gawd (Allah, fill in the supreme being of your choice) help save us from the people who can't see the merits of this.

You talk out both sides of your mouth. Can't have it both ways.

[Exterminator]

Instead we have the ME ME ME ones. Whats in it for me. I don't have to put up with that waste my time with spelling or grammar, me. I will do what ever I want write however I want, whenever I want, me. Its too much trouble to communicate effectively, me.
Oh, and these are the same young people who elected Obama Bush. God Help Us! JMO

Fixed this for you...it absolutely exemplifies your attitude on this forum.

[mcgonser]

See there you go again EX: Using my words for your own and changing mine. You might not agree with what I say but don't try to interpret what I mean or am saying. I speak plain enough thank you. So If my opinion is wrong why are you using my words???????

[Exterminator]

I was simply pointing out that you are guilty of exactly the same thing of which you accuse others.  You should look up 'fundamental attribution error' sometime.

[mcgonser]

Aren't you just the biggest black hole of need and superiority?

[Exterminator]

You two old hens should go cackle at someone else.  I am not the one on here second-guessing our well educated, well informed president as though I know so much more than he does; you are.

[Henry Hawk]

You two old hens should go cackle at someone else.  I am not the one on here second-guessing our well educated, well informed president as though I know so much more than he does; you are.

isn't that the point of a fourm?........to give your 2 cents and opinions of topics and issues?....

[Exterminator]

isn't that the point of a fourm?........to give your 2 cents and opinions of topics and issues?....

Yes but they seem to think they should be able to say anything they'd like but I shouldn't...my arse!

[Henry Hawk]

Yes but they seem to think they should be able to say anything they'd like but I shouldn't...my arse!

just to give you my thoughts, ex.........I for one, enjoy our exchanges, but it seems to be your desire to demean others with opposing views, simply because you feel they/we may be not as informed as you believe that you are.

Although, you can be very comical and humorous at times with your wit, it is not always taken that way, nor is it always appreciated.

but then again, THIS is a forum, and we all should be able to express ourselves in any manner that we choose....I for one, ususally quit exchanging with those who I find irritating or to those where it no longer make any difference what you have to say, there will ALWAYS be an argument.