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Obama mischaracterization of medical bankruptcies

Started by Gardengirl, March 05, 2009, 10:38:04 PM

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From ABCnews.com


Medical Bankruptcies: A Data-Check
March 05, 2009 12:37 PM

(3 p.m. update: See italicized items with responses from the lead author of the Harvard study, Dr. David Himmelstein.)

President Obama's kicking off his health care reform today in the worst possible way: with a mischaracterization of data.

"The cost of health care now causes a bankruptcy in America every thirty seconds," Obama said at the opening of his White House forum on health care reform. The problem: That claim, based on a 2001 survey, is simply unsupportable.

The figure comes from a 2005 Harvard University study saying that 54 percent of bankruptcies in 2001 were caused by health expenses. We reviewed it internally and knocked it down at the time; an academic reviewer did the same in 2006. Recalculating Harvard's own data, he came up with a far lower figure – 17 percent.

A more recent study by another group, approaching it another way, indicates that in 2007 about eight-tenths of one percent of Americans lived in families that filed for bankruptcy as a result of medical costs. That rings a little less loudly than "one every 30 seconds."

The extrapolation of Harvard's data to "a bankruptcy every 30 seconds," which Obama also mentioned in his address to a joint session of Congress last month, comes, per the White House, from a 2005 Washington Post op-ed by Prof. Elizabeth Warren, a co-author of the Harvard paper. Fact-check.org has noted that even using Harvard's numbers, it's more like a bankruptcy every minute; indeed if you add up all bankrputcies in a year you barely get one every 30 seconds. (I've e-mailed Warren for comment.) But more to the point is that the Harvard data are clearly inflated, or at best, mischaracterized.

Himmelstein tells me that the reason for the difference is a change in federal law that sharply reduced the number of bankruptcies. In 2005, the year he and Warren wrote their op-ed, there were just over 2 million bankruptcies. Data out just today say that in 2008 there were 1.1 million (up sharply, by the way, over 2007). So this error in the White House claim stems simply from the fact that it's using out-of-date information. The next question is whether the estimate of "medical bankruptcies" is reliable in the first place.

A good part of the problem is definitional. The Harvard report claims to measure the extent to which medical costs are "the cause" of bankruptcies. In reality its survey asked if these costs were "a reason" – potentially one of many – for such bankruptcies.

Beyond those who gave medical costs as "a reason," the Harvard researchers chose to add in any bankruptcy filers who had at least $1,000 in unreimbursed medical expenses in the previous two years. Given deductibles and copays, that's a heck of a lot of people.

Moreover, Harvard's definition of "medical" expenses includes situations that aren't necessarily medical in common parlance, e.g., a gambling problem, or the death of a family member. If your main wage-earning spouse gets hit by a bus and dies, and you have to file, that's included as a "medical bankruptcy."

When I asked the lead author, Dr. David Himmelstein, about his definitions of medical bankruptcy back in 2005, he said, "It's a judgment call," and added that any death, for example, "to our mind is a medical event."

A last problem was sampling: The Harvard researchers surveyed bankruptcy filers in five federal court districts accounting for 14 percent of bankruptcies nationally; projecting this to the other 86 percent is sketchy. Said Himmelstein: "Obviously the extrapolation is rough."

Of such rough extrapolations are presidential pronouncements made.

Himmelstein today told me that he's comfortable saying medical costs, as his study defines them, are "a cause" but not "the cause" of bankruptcies. In his view, "It's accurate to say medical problems cause half of bankruptcies. There may be other conditions as well but medical problems were causal. I wouldn't be comfortable with it as the 'only' cause."

Worth keeping in mind is the fact that no one (apparently) disagrees about the pain medical expenses can cause to uninsured Americans. Prof. David Dranove of Northwestern University, who wrote the 2006 paper picking apart the Harvard study, noted that he has a new paper in the works showing that uninsured people who have a severe illness lose a substantial portion of their retirement assets.

"There is general agreement: Being uninsured and getting sick in the United States is really a bad thing," Dranove told me today. "But for academics the validity of the research matters." In the Harvard paper, he says, "The methods were so poor they gave cover to those who want to dismiss the problems of the uninsured – they can say the only paper out there uses a suspect method."

There's been a fair amount of academic back-biting about this issue. On one hand Himmelstein, the lead Harvard researcher, is a co-founder of Physicians for a National Health Program, created to promote a government-run single-payer health system. On the other, Dranove took $5,000 from the nation's health insurance industry for his report, which he says he now regrets for the criticism of his impartiality it's engendered. Both papers were peer-reviewed.

"It stinks to be uninsured. I don't want to be quoted saying anything else," Dranove says. "But there are correct studies, and incorrect studies. For academics, the validity of the research methods matters."

It should for the rest of us, too.

Himmelstein's referred me to a 2006 paper in which he replied to Dranove, whom he accuses of  "several out and out errors." Says Himmelstein: "They were paid by the insurance industry to make this critique... They were hired guns out to try and make a point, and used a variety of illegitimate techniques to make that point."

Science marches on.

(...and a 4 p.m. update: Elizabeth Warren, Himmelstein's co-author, is serving as chair of the Congressional Oversight Panel on TARP. Per spokeswoman Shanan Guinn, she's not currently giving interviews on her previous research.)

March 5, 2009 | Permalink | User Comments (245)


When people fear the government, that is called tyranny
When the government fears its people, that is called liberty

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Hum, Obama say's something wrong and the Dem's say, "so what".  If Bush did that he got called all kinds of stupid, a liar, and what ever else.  What's wrong with this picture?  :rolleyes:
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Quote from: me on March 06, 2009, 11:17:33 AM
Hum, Obama say's something wrong and the Dem's say, "so what".  If Bush did that he got called all kinds of stupid, a liar, and what ever else.  What's wrong with this picture?  :rolleyes:

The difference is obvious to any thinking person; Bush is stupid and is a liar.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

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Quote from: me on March 06, 2009, 11:53:28 AM
And Nancy Pelosi is wonderful.  :rolleyes:

She's done a lot more with her life than you have.   :biggrin:
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

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Quote from: me on March 06, 2009, 12:03:16 PM
Any your point is?

About as interesting as the point this topic attempts to make.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

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GG you still are stuck on spreading the fear ?..That went out the door with Bushie.. :yes: Lordy girl wake up!
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Quote from: WVaGAL on March 07, 2009, 08:57:33 PM
GG you still are stuck on spreading the fear ?..That went out the door with Bushie.. :yes: Lordy girl wake up!
Didn't bother to read the article did ya?
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Anne

Quote from: WVaGAL on March 07, 2009, 08:57:33 PM
GG you still are stuck on spreading the fear ?..That went out the door with Bushie.. :yes: Lordy girl wake up!

Seems like the ones spreading the most fear are President Obama and his friends about the financial crisis our country faces. Maybe he should be the one to lighten up. I do give him credit, he did say he believes in America. It is interesting that he doesn't think there are any more terrorists, only extremists. I guess the public can only take one kind of fear at a time.
"A discontented man will find no easy chair." Ben Franklin

Sandy Eggo

So, you're denying that there's a financial crisis?
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Anne

Not denying it, just that when Mr. Bush was warning us about terrorists there was a great hue and cry about scare tactics. When President Obama does the same thing only about finances it is not seen at least by the media as such. Double standard, imo. Do you deny that there are terrorists who would attack us if they could?
"A discontented man will find no easy chair." Ben Franklin

Sandy Eggo

Quote from: Anne on March 08, 2009, 05:57:25 PM
Not denying it, just that when Mr. Bush was warning us about terrorists there was a great hue and cry about scare tactics. When President Obama does the same thing only about finances it is not seen at least by the media as such. Double standard, imo. Do you deny that there are terrorists who would attack us if they could?

There will always be terrorists that want to attack our country and it's nothing new. Bush utilized the fear created by the events of 9/11 to con the American people into feeling good about the expense and our involvement in a war in a country where we didn't need to be. Iraq and 9/11 had NOTHING to do with each other.

Not a double standard - two different things all together.
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

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