Drill Baby Drill!!!!

[DannyBoy]

Ethanol is a more viable solution to transportation than nat gas or electric.

[Monroe]

dan, dan, dan.........your are the smartest stupid person I ever saw.  All hard feelings aside for me pointing out what a moron you are in the past, and the emotional problems you have with people of faith,  the leap you propose cannot evolve out of the society we have.  It is politically and economically impossible.  It may develop out of a complete collapse of technological civilization but nobody can get the people of a free society to convert to what you propose.  (Used to love that science fiction - you?) A powerful dictator (Al Gore would like the job but he can't live long enough) would be necessary, maybe two or three in a row, to impose the changes you say are necessary.  It will all eventually happen, one way or another, an it will be painful, or the most advanced technological society will be a high level of late horse and buggy days.  I remember riding on the back of a work horse as my grandfather plowed his (now mine) garden.  Days of future past - love those Moody Blues.  And, Locutus, you are right, but the same kind of stuff takes place on both sides.  I say take their oil first; last one with oil wins.

So stay off religion, dan (we get it, and you look more than a little looney) and contribute something worthwhile, like thoughtful fantasy here.

[dan foster]

Ethanol is a more viable solution to transportation than nat gas or electric.

Not if we continue to make it from corn.  We have to stop doing that and make ethanol from sugar cane, beer mash, some of the newly discovered grass varieties, but not corn.

[dan foster]

dan, dan, dan.........your are the smartest stupid person I ever saw.  All hard feelings aside for me pointing out what a moron you are in the past, and the emotional problems you have with people of faith,  the leap you propose cannot evolve out of the society we have.  It is politically and economically impossible.  It may develop out of a complete collapse of technological civilization but nobody can get the people of a free society to convert to what you propose.  (Used to love that science fiction - you?) A powerful dictator (Al Gore would like the job but he can't live long enough) would be necessary, maybe two or three in a row, to impose the changes you say are necessary.  It will all eventually happen, one way or another, an it will be painful, or the most advanced technological society will be a high level of late horse and buggy days.  I remember riding on the back of a work horse as my grandfather plowed his (now mine) garden.  Days of future past - love those Moody Blues.  And, Locutus, you are right, but the same kind of stuff takes place on both sides.  I say take their oil first; last one with oil wins.

So stay off religion, dan (we get it, and you look more than a little looney) and contribute something worthwhile, like thoughtful fantasy here.

Since you live in an Orwell fantasy, and speak the double-speak with the best Fox can produce, I wouldn't expect you to understand anything but what you laid out, here.

[Anne]

Mandate all public transportation run on natural gas within 1 year.  Mandate all automobiles get 100 miles to the gallon within 2 years which really only leaves hybrids, fuel cells or pure electrics.  I think for all those car buffs, classic rides would be exempt, but only if legally designated a show car and driven less than 500 miles per year.  It should be harder and harder to find a gallon of gas.

Mandate home efficiencies that require fuel cells, solar water and power, wind, etc by raising the price per kilowatt hour (this comes in handy for those who will be selling their excess power back to the grid), tax credits for conservation, tax breaks for alternative energy, etc, zoning laws that require new home construction to meet extreme efficiencies which can only be met with alternatives to what we are doing now and require all home sales to meet a higher efficiency with tax breaks for the difference in cost of bringing a home up to code to sell.  This should all go in place within the next two years.

All manufacturing that pollutes under the current problem would be given five years to stop, convert to alternative energy, or shut down.

Most of this would require a lot of start up, new hiring companies to work the needs.  Seems like a pretty good stimulus package that would cost the most by tax incentives, but shouldn't be that much.  We need this and much bolder steps if we are going to survive, economically or climatically.

Transportation, what about truckers? Would they be exempt? Why should car buffs be exempt? Are you including motorcycles, scooters in the group to be changed over from gas engines? What about cars already on the road? Take them away from their owners? Replace them for everyone? Who is going to fund all of this? Good luck. We can't even keep our banks from going bankrupt, let alone fund all that you propose. I don't disagree with your proposals, I just don't see how they can happen even as quickly as twenty years.

[dan foster]

You missed every one of those points.  Are you sure you are reading the thread?  I stated new car sales, and even had to reiterate it to a couple of folks I know can't read.