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Those Against Abortion yet Pro-Capital Punishment and War

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Sandy Eggo

#165
January 27, 2009, 11:36:56 PM
Well, it's difficult to imagine how I'd feel for a few reasons. One of them being that I'm hoping that the fact that I've been very proactive in educating her regarding the "birds and bees" and STDs that she will be wise enough to understand the importance of protection. I'm also hoping that she trusts me enough to talk to me, should she find herself with an unplanned pregnancy. 

That being said, if she didn't and she made a choice and went to a clinic to terminate her pregnancy and she received medication that she's allergic to, then at least she'd be in a professional medical facility where they'd be more likely prepared to treat her reaction.  As far as I know, she's not allergic to anything, so if she is and we just haven't discovered it yet, then the same thing could happen if she went to have a tooth pulled.

I'd much rather deal with the anxiety of treating allergic reaction than file a missing persons report to find out that she died having a back alley abortion.
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me

#166
January 28, 2009, 12:07:09 AM
The problem is they don't keep you to find out if anything is going to happen, like hemorrhaging for instance.  I know someone who went with a girl to have one and they just did it and turned her loose.  She went with this person not once but twice and wouldn't do it again.  She said they were ran through like an assembly line and it was very cold and uncaring. 
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Sandy Eggo

#167
January 28, 2009, 08:28:47 AM
How odd, well hopefully if my daughter or anyone else is faced with that decision that they end up with a clinic similar to the one that I accompanied a friend to. They counseled her about her options, then made an appointment for a few days later to have the procedure. She opted to have the procedure and I went with her then also and she had to wait in recovery for quite a while after the procedure.

That doesn't change anything though. All I can do is give her the information and guidance and hope that she makes the right choices. If she makes a mistake or is raped and become pregnant because of it, then it's a little to late to talk about the ways to prevent it. At that point, she has a decision to make. It's her decision, whatever she decides. I hope to be included, but if I'm not then we'll have to deal with it when it happens. Eliminating a woman's right to choose, doesn't guarantee that she won't still make the same mistake or that decision, it'll just narrow her options and ensure that if she does make that choice that she won't be assisted by medical professionals at all.
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me

#168
January 28, 2009, 10:02:26 AM
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on January 28, 2009, 08:28:47 AM
How odd, well hopefully if my daughter or anyone else is faced with that decision that they end up with a clinic similar to the one that I accompanied a friend to. They counseled her about her options, then made an appointment for a few days later to have the procedure. She opted to have the procedure and I went with her then also and she had to wait in recovery for quite a while after the procedure.

That doesn't change anything though. All I can do is give her the information and guidance and hope that she makes the right choices. If she makes a mistake or is raped and become pregnant because of it, then it's a little to late to talk about the ways to prevent it. At that point, she has a decision to make. It's her decision, whatever she decides. I hope to be included, but if I'm not then we'll have to deal with it when it happens. Eliminating a woman's right to choose, doesn't guarantee that she won't still make the same mistake or that decision, it'll just narrow her options and ensure that if she does make that choice that she won't be assisted by medical professionals at all.
I too hope you and your daughter are never faced with that situation and I am glad that all the clinics aren't the like the one my daughter experienced with her friend.  I still think the parents of an under aged child should be informed though. 
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Sandy Eggo

#169
January 28, 2009, 10:37:43 AM
How long ago was that, me? Perhaps that's the reason for the difference in standards?

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me

#170
January 28, 2009, 11:00:04 AM
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on January 28, 2009, 10:37:43 AM
How long ago was that, me? Perhaps that's the reason for the difference in standards?


Thats a good point but it will remain in my mind regardless. 
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Exterminator

#171
January 28, 2009, 12:20:33 PM
Quote from: Monroe on January 27, 2009, 06:28:59 PM
Then Exterminator is a Hindu or a hypocrit.

That might have stung if it had come from someone who could even spell hypocrite.   :rolleyes:
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Exterminator

#172
January 28, 2009, 12:25:34 PM
Quote from: Dexter Morgan on January 27, 2009, 03:49:54 PM
Here's something to ponder.... if the woman has the choice to abort, should the babie's father have any say in it?  Case in point.... a guy that I work with got his girlfriend pregnant with twins.... she went and had an abortion ,without even telling him she was going to. I think that is wrong on soooo many levels. Anybody got any thoughts on this?

Like your friend would have paid child support?  Maybe he should just keep his dick in his pants.
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Henry Hawk

#173
January 28, 2009, 12:39:10 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on January 28, 2009, 12:25:34 PM
Like your friend would have paid child support?  Maybe he should just keep his dick in his pants.

I agree with Ex, that he SHOULD have kept his pants zipped.......but, it is presumptuous to think he was not willing to take care of these kids.....he may be right, but not in all cases.....

I think, the CHOICE was made when they decided to "procreate".....and the woman AND the man...SHOULD live up to their responsibilities...and bring the child into this world.......if they have NO desire to raise a child, then they should give it up for adoption.....not kill it.

(this is getting old)..my mind is not changin any.. :no:  and I'm sure I'm not changin anybody elses.. :no:
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Exterminator

#174
January 28, 2009, 12:48:03 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 28, 2009, 12:39:10 PM
I agree with Ex, that he SHOULD have kept his pants zipped.......but, it is presumptuous to think he was not willing to take care of these kids.....he may be right, but not in all cases.....

Presumptuous, yes, but not without statistical precedence.

QuoteI think, the CHOICE was made when they decided to "procreate"...

They most likely didn't decide to procreate, they were just getting laid.

[quote...and I'm sure I'm not changin anybody elses.. :no: [/quote]

You've got that right...if you don't believe in abortion, don't have one, plain and simple, but don't try to force the rest of the world to live up to your arguably warped "morals".
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#175
January 28, 2009, 12:56:20 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on January 28, 2009, 12:48:03 PM
You've got that right...if you don't believe in abortion, don't have one, plain and simple, but don't try to force the rest of the world to live up to your arguably warped "morals".

as long as I have a say in our government, I will ALWAYS choose to protect the innocent, unborn child....if we went by the moral values that is taught by Jesus.........there would be no abortions, but a child that was born between consenting and responsible adults.......that is not really a warped concept.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


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Exterminator

#176
January 28, 2009, 01:08:29 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 28, 2009, 12:56:20 PM
as long as I have a say in our government, I will ALWAYS choose to protect the innocent, unborn child....if we went by the moral values that is taught by Jesus.........there would be no abortions, but a child that was born between consenting and responsible adults.......that is not really a warped concept.

By definition, an aborted fetus was not born.  It is cute that you think you have a say in our government, though. 
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Palehorse

#177
January 28, 2009, 01:20:14 PM
Hummm. . . wait a minute now, let's back up for a second or two. . . The subject of child support seems to be something we should also explore here. . .

If a woman has (should have) the singular choice as to whether to rid herself of a parasite or not, then how can she then force the male to support that choice should it be to allow the parasite to achieve full-term and result in a human life? How is that fair? If the male's perspective is not brought into the process, then why does he hold any responsibility for the result?  :confused:

(Now I'll admit up front that I support the, " if you put your Johnson in the water then you have to pay" perspective at the moment, but the singular woman's choice argument does beg the question, no?)
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Henry Hawk

#178
January 28, 2009, 01:27:04 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on January 28, 2009, 01:20:14 PM
Hummm. . . wait a minute now, let's back up for a second or two. . . The subject of child support seems to be something we should also explore here. . .

If a woman has (should have) the singular choice as to whether to rid herself of a parasite or not, then how can she then force the male to support that choice should it be to allow the parasite to achieve full-term and result in a human life? How is that fair? If the male's perspective is not brought into the process, then why does he hold any responsibility for the result?  :confused:

(Now I'll admit up front that I support the, " if you put your Johnson in the water then you have to pay" perspective at the moment, but the singular woman's choice argument does beg the question, no?)

that is a great point PH..........

the bottom line is.........don't get yourself into that position........cuz there is NO good answer.... :no:

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Dexter Morgan

#179
January 28, 2009, 02:19:05 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on January 28, 2009, 12:25:34 PM
Like your friend would have paid child support?  Maybe he should just keep his dick in his pants.
He's now engaged to her... what else ya got? <snicker snicker>  :icon_twisted:
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