Those Against Abortion yet Pro-Capital Punishment and War

[me]

OMG are you kidding me?  SHE has to take precautions?  Well if SHE has to take precautions then SHE gets to make the decision!!

If she is the one that don't want to become pregnant, yes, she should make sure she is protected.  That is called being responsible for your own actions and not depending on someone else to protect you from yourself.

[kimmi]

If she is the one that don't want to become pregnant, yes, she should make sure she is protected.  That is called being responsible for your own actions and not depending on someone else to protect you from yourself.

Then SHE makes the decision!

[me]

Then SHE makes the decision!

If she has properly protected herself there is no decision to make.

[kimmi]

Amazing but why does it fall back on her?  I mean the pill is not 100%.  What if?  So if that were the case then it would be ok for her to make the decision to terminate because she did protect herself.  But if she hadn't taken the pill then it should be a 50/50 decision.  Shouldn't birth control be a 50/50 responsibility?

[me]

Amazing but why does it fall back on her?  I mean the pill is not 100%.  What if?  So if that were the case then it would be ok for her to make the decision to terminate because she did protect herself.  But if she hadn't taken the pill then it should be a 50/50 decision.  Shouldn't birth control be a 50/50 responsibility?

Then it should be discussed beforehand so each knows the others feelings.  Not only that if the father doesn't want her to have the child and she choses to do so he should not be responsible for helping support the child since it was her decision to keep it.

[Sandy Eggo]

But that baby is part his too. Both parties know going into it that there is a possibility of the female becoming pregnant so if she isn't prepared to birth a baby she should take the necessary precautions or be ready to deal with the consequences of her actions which means bearing the child.

Shoulda woulda coulda - they both know the risks and are equally to blame.

That doesn't change the fact that, his contribution to the pregnancy process ended when the sperm met egg. It's her body that will will do the rest, so it's her decision.

[me]

Shoulda woulda coulda - they both know the risks and are equally to blame.

That doesn't change the fact that, his contribution to the pregnancy process ended when the sperm met egg. It's her body that will will do the rest, so it's her decision.

So you're saying responsibility is not part of the equation.

[Dexter Morgan]

  (I second that)

[Sandy Eggo]

To commit genocide you first have to depersonalize your intended victims so the general populace will stop finding the murder of such abhorrent.  
See: WWI, The Third Reich, Mein Kampf, the Holocaust, etc.

The German people allowed the Jewish Holocaust to occur because they had been conditioned by Hitler to view the Jews as something less than human.
Perhaps he called them "alive, but not really human beings".

Maybe he convinced the German people that the Jews were merely "non-viable clumps of cells", thereby making it quite easy to dispatch them with, well, dispatch.

Now you've just crossed over into the land of ridiculous reasoning.

If he were able to convince anyone that the Jews were "nonviable clumps of cells", then those were people who were either stupid , w/out the use of a dictionary or both.

Since the Jews were all obviously living, growing, breathing, etc, they were obviously viable.

[Sandy Eggo]

But that baby is part his too. Both parties know going into it that there is a possibility of the female becoming pregnant so if she isn't prepared to birth a baby she should take the necessary precautions or be ready to deal with the consequences of her actions which means bearing the child.

Then let him carry it if he wants it. Otherwise, he has no opinion in the matter of HER body unless she CHOOSES to involve him.

[me]

Then let him carry it if he wants it. Otherwise, he has no opinion in the matter of HER body unless she CHOOSES to involve him.

There is only one other obvious solution and that would be not to do the act in the first place or, well lets just say, chose different means of...uh...use your imagination.....

[Sandy Eggo]

So you're saying responsibility is not part of the equation.

If you're talking abortion then obviously protection is a moot point.

I personally feel that increased sex education and access to birth control is something that parents should ensure their children have. But we know they don't.

People have sex and they should use protection. Sometimes they do and it fails and sometimes they don't.

At the point that someone is pregnant, how it happened is no longer important.

There's a decision to make and it belongs to the woman.

[me]

How many of these women, especially the young ones, fully understand what could happen as a result of an abortion.  What about those teenagers who are given abortions without the parents knowing which happens all the time.  That is how these clinics operate.  Think about it.

[Sandy Eggo]

How many of these women, especially the young ones, fully understand what could happen as a result of an abortion.  What about those teenagers who are given abortions without the parents knowing which happens all the time.  That is how these clinics operate.  Think about it.

I don't need to, because I don't care.

I know what my choice would be and I'm perfectly okay with someone making their own choice regardless of whether or not it's different from mine and regardless of how it happened or what their reasons are.

[me]

How would you feel if your daughter left for school one day and you found out instead of going to school she had been taken to a clinic to have an abortion and you hadn't been told and complications set in because they had given her a medication she never thought to tell them she was allergic to.  How would you view those clinics then?