Bush's presidency

[Exterminator]

So, do you have any rebuttal(s) of substance to Mr. Roberts view(s) to offer or should I tacitly assume that you agree with him?

You can assume that if you'd like; it seems in keeping with your general train of logic.

Are you a musician? Have WE played together?!?

Yes and I doubt it.

[Exterminator]

Well done GoJ!!!..........

You can get off of your knees now; GoJ knows when he's been licked.   

[Exterminator]

When your debate opponent resorts to ridicule rather than rebuttal (always avoid alliteration, ahaha!), you are winning the debate.

No, you aren't.  It's more likely that your opponent has simply recognized the futility of trying to teach a rock and has decided to call a spade a spade and move on.

[dan foster]

and the world breathes a sigh of relief.

So wong to bad wubbish.

[Doc]

Like all the Liberals on Moveon.com who desperately longed for terrorist attacks and military disaster because a Republican was president.

Now that the Democrats 'own' the war maybe they'll be more interested in winning it than proving Bush wrong by losing. Maybe.

Bush won 2 wars and kept America safe.

When the bombs start going off remember that.

[Locutus]

^
  I------ . . .is now over. . . 

I might just join Kurt Warner and praise ole' Jeebus for that one. 

[Palehorse]

I might just join Kurt Warner and praise ole' Jeebus for that one. 

[Exterminator]

Like all the Liberals on Moveon.com who desperately longed for terrorist attacks and military disaster because a Republican was president.

  I wouldn't expect anyone who believes that to be able to create a complete sentence and you didn't disappoint.

Now that the Democrats 'own' the war maybe they'll be more interested in winning it than proving Bush wrong by losing. Maybe.

What do you mean...you say below that Bush already won those wars?

Bush won 2 wars and kept America safe.

Which two...the one in Iraq that is ongoing or the one in Afghanistan in which the Taliban currently control over 70% of the country?  Were there others?

When the bombs start going off remember that.

OMFG!  You'd better go hide; quick!   

[Ghost of Jaco]

That doesn't matter. There were not enough votes along party lines to allow passage of the reforms. Remember, the Republican majority was pretty thin and Republicans often failed to stand up to the Democrats. That is in part why the Democrats were able to gain the majority; many Republican voters stayed home in disgust. But the problem began, actually, under Bill Clinton*.

Okay, this site does a good job of explaining the debacle: http://strategicthought-charles77.blogspot.com/2008/09/democrats-blocked-bushs-fannie-mae-and.html

   Excerpt: " From the NEW YORK TIMES September 11, 2003:

    The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.

    Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.

    The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business. And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks of their ballooning portfolios.

    The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- which together have issued more than $1.5 trillion in outstanding debt -- is broken. A report by outside investigators in July concluded that Freddie Mac manipulated its accounting to mislead investors, and critics have said Fannie Mae does not adequately hedge against rising interest rates.


Democrats such as Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts and Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina blocked reform.

    From the NEW YORK TIMES September 11, 2003:

    ''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, and the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''

    Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of
    North Carolina, agreed.

    ''I don't see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,'' Mr. Watt said.


What actually caused the bank failures is the simple fact that home values are falling not rising. In a normal market where values are rising, banks don't lose money on a failed loan because they get the house, which, with a rising value, is worth more than the loan.

The same thing happened in 1973, when energy costs doubled from the Arab oil embargo, banks failed, stocks fell, jobs where lost, home values fell."

And McCain actually tried to revive previously introduced legislation to implement reforms in 2006:
http://blogwonks.com/2008/09/17/mccain-predicted-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac-debacle/


*More info on the history of the FM/FM debacle:
http://strategicthought-charles77.blogspot.com/2008/09/democrats-created-fannie-mae-and.html

[Ghost of Jaco]

You can assume that if you'd like; it seems in keeping with your general train of logic.

You've provided no facts to the contrary. The only other choice is to just ignore you, but you're too much fun for me to do that!

[Ghost of Jaco]

No, you aren't.  It's more likely that your opponent has simply recognized the futility of trying to teach a rock and has decided to call a spade a spade and move on.

In other words you are out of arguments and you know it, are left with only epithets.

PWND!

[dan foster]

Like all the Liberals on Moveon.com who desperately longed for terrorist attacks and military disaster because a Republican was president.

Now that the Democrats 'own' the war maybe they'll be more interested in winning it than proving Bush wrong by losing. Maybe.

Bush won 2 wars and kept America safe.

When the bombs start going off remember that.

You join the ranks of right wingers as one of the funiest I have seen, beyond the oreallys and manity's.  To claim those "liberals" were wanting terrorist attacks is just about as outrageous as one can get.  Bush was the least learned president to take office.  Now, please, go join the other 19 percenters that think he was "a nice guy" and leave the actual running of THIS new democracy to the smart people that won.

Might I point out that bush actually lost both Afghanistan and Iraq, not to mention the rest of the world.

[me]

Wow, he can cuss so I guess that makes him right.... Better run and hide and quit bringing up all those facts 'cause his cussin' and name callin' really shows just how smart he really is and that he knows what the real scoop is.  Oh man, I'm shakin' in my boots now.....

[awol]

someone needs a timeout!

seriously, if you are letting this affect your health, you might wanna step back from it for a while, dan.

i did for a couple weeks, posted only fluff for a while, and now i feel rejuvinated.


hookt on foniks werkt fer mee.

[Monroe]

In the late summer or fall of 2005 I asked a lefty poster if she would prefer an American defeat in Iraq, just so that Bush would be denied a victory.  She said yes.  She would rather see anything besides a Bush victory, anywhere.

She was typical - BDS.

The Left sees America as the biggest problem the world has.  They are fools but they love their thoughts.  Now, their egos are so wrapped up in Obamamania they will deny any shortcoming. 

Dan has his problems: religious, political, psycosexual?  I hear there are some good meds out there for ya dude.  They seem to be working for Exterminator.  He's still delusional but under control.