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Started by Mom, January 05, 2009, 07:19:26 PM

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Mom

January 05, 2009, 07:19:26 PM
Is it a failure and why or why not?

Palehorse

#1
January 05, 2009, 07:31:00 PM
Well, he has made a lot of choices that I am sure he might change if he had the opportunity.
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Henry Hawk

#2
January 06, 2009, 09:02:55 AM
I agree, I'm sure President Bush would LOVE to have a "do-over" on MANY issues....unfortunatly that can't happen.  We will NEVER know the difficulty that starred at him....on 9/11 2001, he faced the worst attack on American soil, he faced the greatest national disaster with Katrina, he inherited a recession, the price of oil sky-rocketed, the housing market crashed, the bank world has been rocked....and he had NO control over any of these incidents.....and through it all, for 6 of his 8 years, we had unemployeement near record lows, a stable inflation AND we had NO further attacks on this land.

so in my opinion, all in all, it was not a failure by him...it was a collective effort by many, many people...9/11 happened despite anything he did.....and the housing market crashed despite anything he did.....Katrina happened despite anything he did...the banks collapsed even though he pointed out potential problems...the cost of oil rised, despite anything that he controlled, other than produce our own oil, something that he TRIED to do....

just my honest opinion...
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


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followsthewolf

#3
January 06, 2009, 02:38:15 PM
Yes, sir.

One he!! of a leader.

Yessireee, bob.

:sarcasm:
Ignorance and fanaticism are ravenous. They require constant feeding.

Henry Hawk

#4
January 06, 2009, 02:43:00 PM
Quote from: followsthewolf on January 06, 2009, 02:38:15 PM
Yes, sir.

One he!! of a leader.

Yessireee, bob.

:sarcasm:

I did...I did pick up a TAD..of sarcasm...... :yes:  yessiree bob.. ;)  ;D
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

followsthewolf

#5
January 06, 2009, 04:09:12 PM
 :biggrin:
Ignorance and fanaticism are ravenous. They require constant feeding.

awol

#6
January 06, 2009, 05:45:14 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 06, 2009, 09:02:55 AM
...on 9/11 2001, he faced the worst attack on American soil,

*cough* PEARL HARBOR *COUGH* *cough*

Quotehe faced the greatest national disaster with Katrina,

*cough* mt. saint hellens, san fransisco earthquake of 1906, great chicago fire, (shall i continue?) *cough*

Quotehe inherited a recession,

BULL-F*****G-S**T.  HE CREATED A RECESSION.

Quotethe price of oil sky-rocketed,

that'll happen when an oil man gets power.

Quotethe housing market crashed, the bank world has been rocked....and he had NO control over any of these incidents.....and through it all, for 6 of his 8 years, we had unemployeement near record lows, a stable inflation

let's see where you get yer data.

QuoteAND we had NO further attacks on this land.

that was because of the magic rock on my mantle. :yes:

Quoteso in my opinion, all in all, it was not a failure by him...

you've made that abundantly clear.  though it's just cause you've kept your eyes closed for 8 years.
"Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music." - George Carlin

followsthewolf

#7
January 06, 2009, 06:20:31 PM
awol,

please, please, PLEASE do NOT lose that magic rock, or we're all fokked.

:wink:
Ignorance and fanaticism are ravenous. They require constant feeding.

awol

#8
January 06, 2009, 06:21:17 PM
Quote from: followsthewolf on January 06, 2009, 06:20:31 PM
awol,

please, please, PLEASE do NOT lose that magic rock, or we're all fokked.

:wink:
:biggrin:
"Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music." - George Carlin

Exterminator

#9
January 07, 2009, 09:17:07 AM
One might have had an argument for the yet unknown while supporting a Bush presidency in 2000 or to a lesser extent in 2004 but given the value of hindsight, anyone who would even suggest that this man was anything other than a complete and utter failure is an idiot who should not be allowed to vote.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#10
January 07, 2009, 09:25:20 AM
Quote from: Exterminator on January 07, 2009, 09:17:07 AM
One might have had an argument for the yet unknown while supporting a Bush presidency in 2000 or to a lesser extent in 2004 but given the value of hindsight, anyone who would even suggest that this man was anything other than a complete and utter failure is an idiot who should not be allowed to vote.

I think given the alternatives that we had to vote (Gore and Kerry)...I STILL feel that Bush could NOT have done any worse than if THEY was running things....

I will 100% admit, that I have not agreed with several things that Bush did.  My point IS, that unders these harsh times, I don't think there would have been anybody, that would have made things much better than they are....and I know this is just MY OWN speculation.

I think that congress as a whole...has been a failure...NOT just the presidency....
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#11
January 07, 2009, 10:39:23 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 07, 2009, 09:25:20 AM
I think given the alternatives that we had to vote (Gore and Kerry)...I STILL feel that Bush could NOT have done any worse than if THEY was running things....

That is pure conjecture and I would submit that it would have been impossible for any to have done a worse job.

QuoteMy point IS, that unders these harsh times, I don't think there would have been anybody, that would have made things much better than they are....and I know this is just MY OWN speculation.

And that speculation is based in total on your blind bias.  Harsh times were not handed to Bush; they were created by him and his administration's policies.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

dan foster

#12
January 10, 2009, 12:48:07 AM
Quote from: Mom on January 05, 2009, 07:19:26 PM
Is it a failure and why or why not?

Complete failure.  In addition, the harm he has done to the Constitution is too large to talk about here, AND, he is a war criminal.  Other than that, he must have been a really nice guy (stupid, ignorant, mf).
"Wherever morality is based on theology, wherever right is made dependent on divine authority, the most immoral, unjust, infamous things can be justified and established." -- Ludwig Feuerbach, The Essence of Christianity, 1841

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WVaGAL

#13
January 10, 2009, 05:21:02 AM
He is a total disaster and we only have 10 days left of him..But we will be living with the aftermath of his Presidency for a long time to come....Listing why ? Gosh that would take forever...Patriot Act...Iraq war...Torture...the economy....etc etc...
Learn to laugh at things..you'll live longer....Humor is a good thing...

dan foster

#14
January 10, 2009, 12:22:43 PM
Quote from: WVaGAL on January 10, 2009, 05:21:02 AM
He is a total disaster and we only have 10 days left of him..But we will be living with the aftermath of his Presidency for a long time to come....Listing why ? Gosh that would take forever...Patriot Act...Iraq war...Torture...the economy....etc etc...

There is a pretty good book on bush, and family, ignorance:

American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush

Author: Kevin Phillips (former republican)


http://www.amazon.com/American-Dynasty-Aristocracy-Fortune-Politics/dp/0143034316/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1231607952&sr=8-1

"Wherever morality is based on theology, wherever right is made dependent on divine authority, the most immoral, unjust, infamous things can be justified and established." -- Ludwig Feuerbach, The Essence of Christianity, 1841

"A bottle of wine contains more philosophy than all the books in the world" Louis Pasteur

"It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so." -- Sir Arthur C. Clarke
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