Global Warming

[Henry Hawk]

Against my better judgement, I'm going to state my view on this, once again.


There is indeed, some global change occurring. NO dispute on that.  My beef is, how much of this problem is actually attributed to MAN.  The global scientist are bought and paid for by the IPCC. Who is bought and paid for by the UN. The IPCC has bungled reports to favor their mission.


We need some honesty on this subject.  I know MAN CAN and SHOULD do better than we are.  We need to inspire innovators to develop cleaner energy. 


Mandates that destroy economies and peoples livelihoods for political gain is wrong.....THAT is what I see with the progressives approach to this issue.

[me]

Here's an experiment for you to prove what scientists are saying. 

1. Fill a glass full of water to the rim.
2. Suspend a bag of ice in something porous over the glass. 
3. Let the ice melt.
4. Record the results. 



What do you think the results will be?

It dawned on me what you said as I was drifting off to sleep last night but there is one problem with your example, you're adding water to the glass that wasn't already there but the ice is from water that is already in the oceans as in the case of the glaciers and ice caps.

[Palehorse]

Most icebergs are made of nonsalty water, with a density a bit lower than sea water. So once melted, that same mass will occupy more volume (same mass, less density equals more volume), and the sea level will increase. . .

Add to this the fact that most of these ice shelves formed on land a long time ago. Some percentage of them well inland from the place they break off at. Why is this important? Because as they move along the ground they gather sediment. Sediment that accumulates as the glacier moves; and once they melt that sediment is deposited, eventually upon the ocean floor, increasing sea levels as well as negatively impacting the oceanic ecology.

So, there's much more to this than a simple glass of ice. . .

Add salt water to the glass filled with regular ice.

[me]

Most icebergs are made of nonsalty water, with a density a bit lower than sea water. So once melted, that same mass will occupy more volume (same mass, less density equals more volume), and the sea level will increase. . .

Add to this the fact that most of these ice shelves formed on land a long time ago. Some percentage of them well inland from the place they break off at. Why is this important? Because as they move along the ground they gather sediment. Sediment that accumulates as the glacier moves; and once they melt that sediment is deposited, eventually upon the ocean floor, increasing sea levels as well as negatively impacting the oceanic ecology.

So, there's much more to this than a simple glass of ice. . .

Add salt water to the glass filled with regular ice.

That ice has been melting and refreezing constantly so all those years of accumulation isn't in the ice anylonger and, yes, what's underwater that hasn't melted might still contain a certain amount of old sediment but it is desplacing the water more than if it were liquid whether it is salt water or not. What is your thinking on adding salt water to a glass of ice? That seems like an apple and orange comparison to me.

[The Troll]

And the heat will evaporate a lot of it as it melts. It's a slow melt not an instant one.

  Come on Water Head, just were does the water go when it evaporates.     Why it will go into the air, which will come up to us from the Gulf of Mexico and cause huge flooding here in the United States.     If you will get your head out of your ass, you will see all of the big floods all over the world.   

  Now were will the flood waters go?    Why it will go back in to the seas and oceans where the lever will raise again.  My god what a dummy.   

[me]

  Come on Water Head, just were does the water go when it evaporates.     Why it will go into the air, which will come up to us from the Gulf of Mexico and cause huge flooding here in the United States.     If you will get your head out of your ass, you will see all of the big floods all over the world.   

  Now were will the flood waters go?    Why it will go back in to the seas and oceans where the lever will raise again.  My god what a dummy.   

But as the ice melts the water level will go down since the ice is displacing it. It's a cycle which is a normal occurance with nature. There are less costly ways to help the environment than the left is trying to push on us.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/617144/Antarctica-not-shrinking-growing-ice-caps-melting

https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A0LEViVt1INZ_FUAQ5gnnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=Polar+Ice+Caps+Growing+2017&fr=yhs-mozilla-004&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-004

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/05/19/updated-nasa-data-polar-ice-not-receding-after-all/#263ae98d2892

[Palehorse]

That ice has been melting and refreezing constantly so all those years of accumulation isn't in the ice anylonger and, yes, what's underwater that hasn't melted might still contain a certain amount of old sediment but it is desplacing the water more than if it were liquid whether it is salt water or not. What is your thinking on adding salt water to a glass of ice? That seems like an apple and orange comparison to me.

Oceans are salt water. . . The densities are starkly different between salt water and fresh water.

Clearly you have never hiked a glacier, for if you had you would understand how grossly misinformed your position on this subject is. . .

How were the Great Lakes formed? Grammar school earth science question.

[me]

Oceans are salt water. . . The densities are starkly different between salt water and fresh water.

Clearly you have never hiked a glacier, for if you had you would understand how grossly misinformed your position on this subject is. . .

How were the Great Lakes formed? Grammar school earth science question.

Read the above articles and look at the pic's. The icecap has increased in size and is not really melting.

[Palehorse]

Read the above articles and look at the pic's. The icecap has increased in size and is not really melting.

*BULLSHIT*. 💩

Try again.

[me]

*BULLSHIT*. 💩

Try again.

Pictures prove it, quit being stubborn and look at them and read the articles.

[libby]

OK. I have for some time been interested in quantum physics, but that doesn't mean I learned and/or remember all the specifics of science taught back in high school. In fact, the one thing I can remember specifically is being puzzled when Coach (who also taught science) talked about expending energy.

Back on topic: for Me:

Here's my question: About all that evaporated water from the melting glaciers: where does it go? Does it keep going into outer space ,or, when the air becomes too saturated, falls back down to earth as rain? (Not all of it refreezes because you have to keep in mind: what caused it to melt in the first place?)

[Palehorse]

OK. I have for some time been interested in quantum physics, but that doesn't mean I learned and/or remember all the specifics of science taught back in high school. In fact, the one thing I can remember specifically is being puzzled when Coach (who also taught science) talked about expending energy.

Back on topic: for Me:

Here's my question: About all that evaporated water from the melting glaciers: where does it go? Does it keep going into outer space ,or, when the air becomes too saturated, falls back down to earth as rain? (Not all of it refreezes because you have to keep in mind: what caused it to melt in the first place?)

[Palehorse]

Pictures prove it, quit being stubborn and look at them and read the articles.

Nope.

[me]

Here are the links to the articles and images. They are from Forbes, the UK, and NASA.


http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/617144/Antarctica-not-shrinking-growing-ice-caps-melting

https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A0LEViVt1INZ_FUAQ5gnnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=Polar+Ice+Caps+Growing+2017&fr=yhs-mozilla-004&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-004

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/05/19/updated-nasa-data-polar-ice-not-receding-after-all/#263ae98d2892

[Exterminator]

Here are the links to the articles and images. They are from Forbes, the UK, and NASA.


http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/617144/Antarctica-not-shrinking-growing-ice-caps-melting

https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A0LEViVt1INZ_FUAQ5gnnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=Polar+Ice+Caps+Growing+2017&fr=yhs-mozilla-004&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-004

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/05/19/updated-nasa-data-polar-ice-not-receding-after-all/#263ae98d2892

The claims in these articles have been debunked numerous times.  Here is an article with links to many, many sources.