Global Warming

[Bo D]

I thought you changed it up, slamming the validity of American Council on Science and Health by using the Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) as your source........I googled CSPI, and came up with THIS, that suggests that the truth of (CSPI) may be suspect.

Hell, I don't know I am trying to get work done and read about this stuff.....I'm confusing myself right now...

I do think I brought some valid points up today though....

I also gave Tufts University as a source.

The point you have made perfectly clear is that you are adamantly opposed to anything connected to rational thinking and scientific truth.

Maybe Locutus was right ....

           

[Henry Hawk]

I also gave Tufts University as a source.

The point you have made perfectly clear is that you are adamantly opposed to anything connected to rational thinking and scientific truth.

Maybe Locutus was right ....

           

THAT is not true at all, but you see things they way you WANT to see them.  I gave rational thinking and scientific truth to the DDT case I was making...

[Bo D]

THAT is not true at all, but you see things they way you WANT to see them.  I gave rational thinking and scientific truth to the DDT case I was making...

You did no such thing.

You gave the eagle population rebound as an example of how we can turn things around.

I reminded you that the decline of the eagles was our fault in the first in the first place because of DDT.

You then turned the discussion to the dubious claim of the carcinogenic effects of DDT. Why did you do that? After you lauded a conservative president for creating the EPA which banned the commercial use of DDT?

You're confused, Hank.

[Henry Hawk]

I reminded you that the decline of the eagles was our fault in the first in the first place because of DDT.

And the link I provided stated the following:


In 1968 two researchers, Drs. Joseph J. Hickey and Daniel W. Anderson, reported that high concentrations of DDT were found in the eggs of wild raptor populations. The two concluded that increased eggshell fragility in peregrine falcons, bald eagles, and ospreys was due to DDT exposure.9 Dr. Joel Bitman and associates at the U.S. Department of Agriculture likewise determined that Japanese quail fed DDT produced eggs with thinner shells and lower calcium content.10

In actuality, however, declines in bird populations either had occurred before DDT was present or had occured years after DDT's use. A comparison of the annual Audubon Christmas Bird Counts between 1941 (pre-DDT) and 1960 (after DDT's use had waned) reveals that at least 26 different kinds of birds became more numerous during those decades, the period of greatest DDT usage. The Audubon counts document an overall increase in birds seen per observer from 1941 to 1960, and statistical analyses of the Audubon data confirm the perceived increases. For example, only 197 bald eagles were documented in 194111; the number had increased to 891 in 1960.12

[Bo D]

And the link I provided stated the following:


In 1968 two researchers, Drs. Joseph J. Hickey and Daniel W. Anderson, reported that high concentrations of DDT were found in the eggs of wild raptor populations. The two concluded that increased eggshell fragility in peregrine falcons, bald eagles, and ospreys was due to DDT exposure.9 Dr. Joel Bitman and associates at the U.S. Department of Agriculture likewise determined that Japanese quail fed DDT produced eggs with thinner shells and lower calcium content.10

In actuality, however, declines in bird populations either had occurred before DDT was present or had occured years after DDT's use. A comparison of the annual Audubon Christmas Bird Counts between 1941 (pre-DDT) and 1960 (after DDT's use had waned) reveals that at least 26 different kinds of birds became more numerous during those decades, the period of greatest DDT usage. The Audubon counts document an overall increase in birds seen per observer from 1941 to 1960, and statistical analyses of the Audubon data confirm the perceived increases. For example, only 197 bald eagles were documented in 194111; the number had increased to 891 in 1960.12

Flawed logic at best ....
"only 197 bald eagles were documented in 1941; the number had increased to 891 in 1960"

We were killing eagles are a murderous rate until it was banned in 1952. It's only rational to see that the populations would start to increase after we stopped killing them. Then the ban on DDT finally let them recover fully.

A lengthy period of outright persecution toward Bald Eagles occurred in Alaska between 1917 and 1952 when a bounty was placed on them. Records from the Alaska Territorial Treasurer show that a minimum of 128,273 Bald Eagles were killed and presented for bounty, with more than 100,000 coming from Southeast Alaska (Robards and King 2008).

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCYQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Frpi-project.org%2Fpublications%2FTP-01.pdf&ei=d9YuVNa_CNGJsQSBioGAAQ&usg=AFQjCNEBBPtsU_OlgNS-kgk5yjpfymvopA


So as is the case with the American Bison, we nearly killed them all before we "saved" them.

[The Troll]

  Bo D, you're casting pearls among swine.     Other than that   

[Bo D]

Warming Earth Heading for Hottest Year on Record

Earth is on pace to tie or even break the mark for the hottest year on record, federal meteorologists say. That's because global heat records have kept falling in 2014, with September the latest example.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced October 20, 2014, that last month the globe averaged 60.3 degrees Fahrenheit (15.72 degrees Celsius). That was the hottest September in 135 years of record keeping.

It was the fourth monthly record set this year, along with May, June and August.

http://www.scientificcomputing.com/news/2014/10/warming-earth-heading-hottest-year-record?et_cid=4220789&et_rid=54725525&location=top

[me]

Hum, guess I just imagined those years when it was hotter than this year and for a longer period of time.  I can't believe the BS ya'll fall for.   

[Bo D]

Hum, guess I just imagined those years when it was hotter than this year and for a longer period of time.  I can't believe the BS ya'll fall for.   

You got facts to back that up?

[me]

You got facts to back that up?

I experienced it and it is fact.  Surely you're old enough you've experienced it too.  You get so caught up in all those fuzzy math things your mind just turns to mush. 

[Locutus]

You got facts to back that up?

Yup!  She licked her finger and stuck it out the window during a hot flash.   

That alone constitutes all of the 'facts' that she needs. 

[Purplelady1040]

For several years, it would still be in the 70's and 80's in October. This year it started getting fall temps in September!

[Henry Hawk]

THE debate about climate change is finished - because it has been categorically proved NOT to exist, one of the world's leading meteorologists has claimed.

John Coleman, who co-founded the Weather Channel, shocked academics by insisting the theory of man-made climate change was no longer scientifically credible. Instead, what 'little evidence' there is for rising global temperatures points to a 'natural phenomenon' within a developing eco-system.  In an open letter attacking the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, he wrote: "The ocean is not rising significantly.

"The polar ice is increasing, not melting away. Polar Bears are increasing in number.

"Heat waves have actually diminished, not increased.
There is not an uptick in the number or strength of storms (in fact storms are diminishing).

"I have studied this topic seriously for years. It has become a political and environment agenda item, but the science is not valid."

"There is no significant man-made global warming at this time, there has been none in the past and there is no reason to fear any in the future."Efforts to prove the theory that carbon dioxide is a significant greenhouse gas and pollutant causing significant warming or weather effects have failed.
"There has been no warming over 18 years."

[Exterminator]

John Coleman, who co-founded the Weather Channel, shocked academics by insisting the theory of man-made climate change was no longer scientifically credible.

First, Coleman authored that piece 7 years ago; much has been learned since then.  Second, it's bullshit.

[Exterminator]

Yup!  She licked her finger and stuck it out the window during a hot flash.   

That alone constitutes all of the 'facts' that she needs. 

You are both expecting a simpleton to grasp the concept of overall global temperature when all she is capable of understanding is how hot it was in Anderson.  Think about it...