Global Warming

[Henry Hawk]

Economic status won't mean shit once you idiots have succeeded in destroying the planet.

The Planet is NOT being destroyed........THAT is the bullshit that pisses me off.  If it was up to YOU idiots, we would have a tad cleaner planet, but the rich would be the only ones enjoying it, and the blue collar folks would be totally screwed.

[Bo D]

It is not all doom and gloom.  Because of man, we now have:

White tailed deer - 380,000 in 1900 - 15 million in 2000, current estimate 30,000,000.  Bald Eagle - 1900 - unknown - 1963 - 487 nesting pair - current estimate 12,000 pairs
Buffalo - 1900 ~700 ,  1950 - 5000 , current ~ 350,000

This is just naming a few....I agree, it can be alarming when you read "Hit" pieces like this...Global Warming is natural for the most part.....animals adapt and humans adapt. 

Creating a political body full of corruption to over look this is WRONG, and I will NEVER buy into it.
It doesn't mean I am against finding better alternative fuel and doing more to keep our planet clean....I just think this path that is being forced upon us is NOT ever going to work and we need to quit the bickering and come up with a mutual plan that works.

Bald Eagle - WE caused their decline in the first with DDT.
American Bison - There were millions of them before WE killed nearly all of them.

Those examples don't fly.

[Exterminator]

The Planet is NOT being destroyed........THAT is the bullshit that pisses me off.  If it was up to YOU idiots, we would have a tad cleaner planet, but the rich would be the only ones enjoying it, and the blue collar folks would be totally screwed.

Not being destroyed?  What are you, high or just incredibly fucking stupid?  Is there some part of our using resources at a rate 1.5 times that in which they can be replenished that eludes your little pea brain.  For how long do you think that is sustainable?  Right now there are 35,000 walruses on a beach in Alaska because the sea ice on which they usually rest while they hunt for food is gone.  Not diminished...GONE!  There are floating piles of plastic and chemical sludge in the oceans, one of which is the size of Turkey...and that's just what is on the surface.  Scientists estimate that 70% of the trash in the oceans sinks to the bottom.  Carbon emissions...clear-cutting rain forests...huge algae blooms in the Gulf of Mexico from fertilizer run-off...bees disappearing from our use of pesticides...nuclear contamination from Fukushima...I could go on and on.  How does all of this not add up to destroying the planet?

The problem, of course, is over-population but the stupid people don't even see that there is an issue so they continue to crank out stupid kids who then crank out some more stupid kids of their own and on and on and on it goes...   

[Bo D]

It is not all doom and gloom.  Because of man, we now have:

White tailed deer - 380,000 in 1900 - 15 million in 2000, current estimate 30,000,000.  Bald Eagle - 1900 - unknown - 1963 - 487 nesting pair - current estimate 12,000 pairs
Buffalo - 1900 ~700 ,  1950 - 5000 , current ~ 350,000

This is just naming a few....I agree, it can be alarming when you read "Hit" pieces like this...Global Warming is natural for the most part.....animals adapt and humans adapt. 

Creating a political body full of corruption to over look this is WRONG, and I will NEVER buy into it.
It doesn't mean I am against finding better alternative fuel and doing more to keep our planet clean....I just think this path that is being forced upon us is NOT ever going to work and we need to quit the bickering and come up with a mutual plan that works.

And deer! The damn things are out of control. Because WE killed off their natural predators - wolves, cougars, and coyotes wiped out in the eastern part of the country! 

[Bo D]

The Planet is NOT being destroyed........THAT is the bullshit that pisses me off.  If it was up to YOU idiots, we would have a tad cleaner planet, but the rich would be the only ones enjoying it, and the blue collar folks would be totally screwed.

freshwater animals - frogs, fish, salamanders and the like - saw a considerably sharper 76 percent drop. Habitat fragmentation and pollution (think algae blooms) were the main killers of freshwater species.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/09/30/weve-killed-off-half-the-worlds-animals-since-1970/

We ARE destroying our planet!

Remember this? ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7OHG7tHrNM

[Locutus]

You guys may as well be ---> 

[Bo D]

You guys may as well be ---> 

I'll all day if I could convince just one idiot that what we are doing is wrong.

[Henry Hawk]

Bald Eagle - WE caused their decline in the first with DDT.
American Bison - There were millions of them before WE killed nearly all of them.

Those examples don't fly.

My point is, because of humans acting in an intelligent manner, was able to correct these situations.  I think the "Al Gore" approach is NOT an intelligent manner.  Cap and trade is not acting in the best interests for strong and stable economies....I will say the argument is good, but working together for a common approachable solution is what we need.

[Henry Hawk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7OHG7tHrNM

And because of Nixon (a republican), we was able to turn things around for the better.  It is a battle we will always face no matter what....that is just the way things are.........but if we f'up our economic status in doing so, who really cares.....

[Bo D]

My point is, because of humans acting in an intelligent manner, was able to correct these situations.  I think the "Al Gore" approach is NOT an intelligent manner.  Cap and trade is not acting in the best interests for strong and stable economies....I will say the argument is good, but working together for a common approachable solution is what we need.

And how did we "correct" those situations? By passing very unpopular laws. Remember the furor of conservatives over the banning of DDT?  Hell! It's still being raged about even though we were proven right!

[Exterminator]

Cap and trade is not acting in the best interests for strong and stable economies...

You'd better go tell your conservative buddies that because they invented it in 1990 and it has worked wonderfully.

[Henry Hawk]

You'd better go tell your conservative buddies that because they invented it in 1990 and it has worked wonderfully.

Well once upon a time it WAS a good thing, until the democrats turned it into MORE government control....forcing issues like try to reduce carbon dioxide emissions with the CAFE it did little to actually reduce emissions but it hit the consumers in the pocketbooks even harder during already hard times....they have used it to try to FORCE an agenda more than trying to equal out a playing field to where everyone wins.

[Locutus]

I'll all day if I could convince just one idiot that what we are doing is wrong.

That's admirable, because educating the public is key.  I do feel, however, that there is some validity to the point Ex is constantly making in that stupid people are breeding like rabbits, and are quickly outnumbering their more intelligent counterparts. 

[Henry Hawk]

And how did we "correct" those situations? By passing very unpopular laws. Remember the furor of conservatives over the banning of DDT?  Hell! It's still being raged about even though we were proven right!

You bring up a GREAT example of how the IPCC is 'dicking" up global warming.  Rachel Carson was the one who yelled the "sky is falling" with DDT.....A National Cancer Institute report concluded that after two years of testing on several different strains of cancer-prone mice and rats—that DDT was not carcino-genic...but yet, the fear factor she created caused it to be banned.....even though DDT saved hundreds of millions of people by destroying malaria and other harmful insect-ridden diseases.

[Henry Hawk]

That's admirable, because educating the public is key.  I do feel, however, that there is some validity to the point Ex is constantly making in that stupid people are breeding like rabbits, and are quickly outnumbering their more intelligent counterparts. 

I 100% agree with you........