Global Warming

[Anne]

  They won't.  Did you see the latest COSMOS?  Neil deGrasse Tyson addressed it, specifically the role of carbon dioxide in climate change. Very interesting program. Made me think of a science fiction short story I read decades ago -- about what happens when the glaciers keep melting and the oceans keep rising. 

You get "The Day After Tomorrow". Movie about just that happening, It is shown on TV occasionally.

[Palehorse]

You get "The Day After Tomorrow". Movie about just that happening, It is shown on TV occasionally.

Exactly where this planet is headed. 

[libby]

Yeah, that's the first damaging hail storm we have ever had in the midwest.

JUNE- 1948  NEAR ANDERSON A HAILSTORM DROPPED HAIL 2 INCHES IN DIAMETER...AND WAS UP TO ONE FOOT DEEP IN SPOTS.


MAY - 1977  GOLF BALL SIZE HAIL FALLS FOR SEVERAL MINUTES IN EASTERN HAMILTON COUNTY. HAIL ACCUMULATED 12 TO 18 INCHES DEEP IN BAKERS GROVE.

MAY - 1994  GREENSBURG...BASEBALL SIZE HAIL CAUSES WIDESPREAD DAMAGE TO BUILDINGS AND CROPS.

MAY - 1985  GOLF BALL SIZE HAIL FELL TO A DEPTH OF 6 INCHES IN PARTS OF BARTHOLOMEW COUNTY.

JULY -1975  AN AREA OF HAIL SWEPT ACROSS PARTS OF LAFAYETTE AND SURROUNDING AREAS. 50 PERCENT OF THE CORN CROP WAS KILLED IN A FEW LOCALIZED AREAS.

JULY -1974  HAIL UP TO TENNIS BALL SIZE FALLS ACROSS PORTIONS OF WARREN AND FOUNTAIN COUNTIES...ACCUMULATING UP TO 18 INCHES DEEP.

SEPT -1972  DOVER...BASEBALL SIZE HAIL FALLS AND CAUSES EXTENSIVE WINDOW BREAKAGE AT AREA SCHOOLS.

OCT -1972  AT DUGGER IN SULLIVAN COUNTY,,,BASEBALL SIZE HAIL DAMAGES CARS AND A SCHOOL.

OCT -1992  SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS BRING LARGE HAIL TO ALEXANDRIA AND DAMAGE BUILDINGS IN WINCHESTER.

NOV -1909  INDIANAPOLIS...A HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 74 DEGREES BECOMES THE WARMEST TEMPERATURE ON RECORD FOR THANKSGIVING FOR THE CITY.

DEC -1967  TORNADOES IN DAVIESS AND KNOX COUNTIES DESTROY A HOUSE TRAILER AND DAMAGE SEVERAL FARM BUILDINGS.

DEC -1875  AT INDIANAPOLIS...THE RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURE FOR THE DATE IS SET AT 67 DEGREES. 

Just had to come back to this post. HH, those are WEATHER reports.

When glaciers start melting and breaking up an disappearing before our very eyes, that seems like pretty good evidence of GLOBAL WARMING.   

[me]

I found this quite interesting.  Read it, all of it, before you start with the snide remarks. 

http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=927b9303-802a-23ad-494b-dccb00b51a12

[Henry Hawk]

Just had to come back to this post. HH, those are WEATHER reports.

When glaciers start melting and breaking up an disappearing before our very eyes, that seems like pretty good evidence of GLOBAL WARMING.   

Libby, I was responding to an earlier post indicating that baseball hail stones is a sure sign.  I'm just sayin we have that kind of weather from time to time....has nothing to do with global warming.  It's just the way our earth works.

[Exterminator]

I found this quite interesting.  Read it, all of it, before you start with the snide remarks. 

http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=927b9303-802a-23ad-494b-dccb00b51a12

We read it back when it first appeared...7 years ago.  A lot more evidence has been collected since then and it is overwhelming.  We might just as well be arguing about whether or not there's air.   

[libby]

I haven't looked up the qualifications of any of the people on the list posted, but would like to say one thing: Just because someone is identified as a scientist doesn't mean you can believe every word that is posted by/about him/her. People lie. Facts are distorted. Being an expert in one scientific field does not qualify one to make judgment calls in other disciplines.   

I wasn't posting here 7 years ago, but we went through the same thing on 4seasons. I looked up only one on the list we had because his  bio included being a professor at George Mason University, which is near my home. To my surprise found absolutely nothing about him except his name on a list of conference attendees. 

[Henry Hawk]

Libby, you are confusing me.  I didn't post any list.  I posted a history of harsh weather such as hail.  We have had hail in every month for years now.  We have had hail 2" in diameter in Anderson back in 1948. 

I am merely suggesting THAT alone is not a sign of Global Warming.  We don't need to get frantic JUST because of events like that.

For the record, I agree with you that just because a scientist says something, it doesn't mean it is always believable. I am one that thinks that SOME of the GW hype is politically driven.  They IPCC is a political organization headed off by the United Nations.

So, while I won't disagree that humans are not being good friends to this earth....I don't buy 100% into that we are the reason why we are having goofy weather from time to time.  Global Warming has and will happen with or without us.  So, I am skeptical we need to overtax and over regulate business' that could possible stiffen our economy. 

Lets continue to develop better/cleaner methods to energize our society, but lets be careful and not cry the sky is falling when it isn't.

[Exterminator]

...but lets be careful and not cry the sky is falling when it isn't.

And if it is?

[Henry Hawk]

And if it is?

Show me evidence that it is.  NOT from the IPCC.

[libby]

Libby, you are confusing me.  I didn't post any list.  I posted a history of harsh weather such as hail.  We have had hail in every month for years now.  We have had hail 2" in diameter in Anderson back in 1948. 

I am merely suggesting THAT alone is not a sign of Global Warming.  We don't need to get frantic JUST because of events like that.

For the record, I agree with you that just because a scientist says something, it doesn't mean it is always believable. I am one that thinks that SOME of the GW hype is politically driven.  They IPCC is a political organization headed off by the United Nations.

So, while I won't disagree that humans are not being good friends to this earth....I don't buy 100% into that we are the reason why we are having goofy weather from time to time.  Global Warming has and will happen with or without us.  So, I am skeptical we need to overtax and over regulate business' that could possible stiffen our economy. 

Lets continue to develop better/cleaner methods to energize our society, but lets be careful and not cry the sky is falling when it isn't.

HH, sorry for the confusion. While you were replying to my post, I was amending it because I realized the list Exterminator referred to was provided by ME (not me {I}, but the poster ME).

[me]

I haven't looked up the qualifications of any of the people on the list posted, but would like to say one thing: Just because someone is identified as a scientist doesn't mean you can believe every word that is posted by/about him/her. People lie. Facts are distorted. Being an expert in one scientific field does not qualify one to make judgment calls in other disciplines.   

I wasn't posting here 7 years ago, but we went through the same thing on 4seasons. I looked up only one on the list we had because his  bio included being a professor at George Mason University, which is near my home. To my surprise found absolutely nothing about him except his name on a list of conference attendees.

Which is exactly my point.  Everyone believed these same people when they were for gw but now that they have came out against it they are poo pooing them. 

We read it back when it first appeared...7 years ago.  A lot more evidence has been collected since then and it is overwhelming.  We might just as well be arguing about whether or not there's air.   

[Exterminator]

Which is exactly my point.  Everyone believed these same people when they were for gw but now that they have came out against it they are poo pooing them.

Not even close to being true.  As was pointed out when this appeared years ago, none of these people ever had the least bit of credibility in climatology.

[Exterminator]

Show me evidence that it is.  NOT from the IPCC.

We already have...over and over and over again.  It is your choice to remain willfully ignorant.

[Exterminator]

I'm surprised that neither of you has seized on this.

Hint: I'm baiting you.