Global Warming

[Bo D]

Ya know, seems strange greenpeace thought he was perfectly qualified when he was on their side and now that he's changed his mind and is of a different opinion they're trashing him.

Yes. They thought he was well qualified IN HIS FIELD. He is not a climatologist.

[Henry Hawk]

Here are few excerpts frome his Senate meeting...

Statement of Patrick Moore, Ph.D.
Before the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, Subcommittee on
Oversight
February 25, 2014
"Natural Resource Adaptation: Protecting ecosystems and economies"

The science of climatology is only a few decades old. It is not a single science but rather an interdisciplinary cluster of sciences. These include meteorology (the studyof weather), atmospheric chemistry, astrophysics and cosmic rays, geology and other earth sciences, oceanography, carbon cycling through all living species, soil science, geology, climate history through the millennia, ice ages and greenhouse ages, study of the sun, knowledge of earth wobbles, magnetic fields and orbital variations, etc. All of these disciplines are interrelated in complex, dynamic patterns that cannot be reduced to a simple equation. That is why climatologists have built very complicated computer models in the hope of predicting future climatic conditions.  


A "climate change consisting of widely divergent groups with sharply differing opinions. The most prominent and formally structured group is the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and the scientists, scholars, activists, and politicians who associate themselves with this organization.

The IPCC was created in 1988 as a partnership between the World Meteorological Organization and the United Nations Environment Program, put simply, meteorologists and environmentalists. Members of this group generally believe humans are causing global warming, that we are changing the climate, and this will generally be negative for civilization and the environment. They claim to represent an "overwhelming consensus among climate scientists."

The IPCC is rather insular, believing its members are the only true climate scientists and that those who disagree with them are either some other kind of scientists, or not really scientists at all. 

[Bo D]

Here are few excerpts frome his Senate meeting...

Statement of Patrick Moore, Ph.D.
Before the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, Subcommittee on
Oversight
February 25, 2014
"Natural Resource Adaptation: Protecting ecosystems and economies"

The science of climatology is only a few decades old. It is not a single science but rather an interdisciplinary cluster of sciences. These include meteorology (the studyof weather), atmospheric chemistry, astrophysics and cosmic rays, geology and other earth sciences, oceanography, carbon cycling through all living species, soil science, geology, climate history through the millennia, ice ages and greenhouse ages, study of the sun, knowledge of earth wobbles, magnetic fields and orbital variations, etc. All of these disciplines are interrelated in complex, dynamic patterns that cannot be reduced to a simple equation. That is why climatologists have built very complicated computer models in the hope of predicting future climatic conditions.  


A "climate change consisting of widely divergent groups with sharply differing opinions. The most prominent and formally structured group is the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and the scientists, scholars, activists, and politicians who associate themselves with this organization.

The IPCC was created in 1988 as a partnership between the World Meteorological Organization and the United Nations Environment Program, put simply, meteorologists and environmentalists. Members of this group generally believe humans are causing global warming, that we are changing the climate, and this will generally be negative for civilization and the environment. They claim to represent an "overwhelming consensus among climate scientists."

The IPCC is rather insular, believing its members are the only true climate scientists and that those who disagree with them are either some other kind of scientists, or not really scientists at all. 

Even idiots are entitled to an opinion.

[Henry Hawk]

Even idiots are entitled to an opinion.

I would have bet the farm that you would come back with that response........it is typical liberal mentality.

[Bo D]

I would have bet the farm that you would come back with that response........it is typical liberal mentality.

And your mentality leads you to be led by the nose and told what to believe instead of thinking things out for yourself.

This case is a pretty simple one. The guy was working for a good cause until he realized there was a lot more money in prostituting himself out to the likes of Monsanto, Weyerhaeuser, and BHP Minerals.

[Henry Hawk]

And your mentality leads you to be led by the nose and told what to believe instead of thinking things out for yourself.

This case is a pretty simple one. The guy was working for a good cause until he realized there was a lot more money in prostituting himself out to the likes of Monsanto, Weyerhaeuser, and BHP Minerals.

You need to read the reasons WHY he went to these folks........he felt that he could have an impact on them for the right reasons....

Listen, I don't give a damn about this Moore guy, I just found it interesting and a this would be a good place to open up a conversation.

and I am falling into my own trap it seems, and things get personal.........and I know, I spouted off first.  I simply don't like discussing by using text.  It never comes off they way I intend it to.

I have been doing pretty good at keeping my mouth shut around here, and I need to go back to it.   

It doesn't change a thing.

[Bo D]

Oh ... one more thing. Did you notice that in his "definition" of climatology ...

"The science of climatology is only a few decades old. It is not a single science but rather an interdisciplinary cluster of sciences. These include meteorology (the studyof weather), atmospheric chemistry, astrophysics and cosmic rays, geology and other earth sciences, oceanography, carbon cycling through all living species, soil science, geology, climate history through the millennia, ice ages and greenhouse ages, study of the sun, knowledge of earth wobbles, magnetic fields and orbital variations, etc."

he never ONCE mentioned his OWN field - ecology?

[Bo D]

I have been doing pretty good at keeping my mouth shut around here, and I need to go back to it.   

It doesn't change a thing.

There you go again! When you are proven wrong you go sulking off into a corner.

[Henry Hawk]

There you go again! When you are proven wrong you go sulking off into a corner.

I'm not sulking and I have not been proven wrong on anything, I just posted an article about Moore's statements.  It is what it is. PERIOD. 

I actually find this funny more than anything........it used to bother me when this crap went on, but now I just laugh....and I will just move on.   

It all means nothing.  I have my own set of beliefs and passions....as do you.

[Henry Hawk]

Oh ... one more thing. Did you notice that in his "definition" of climatology ...

"The science of climatology is only a few decades old. It is not a single science but rather an interdisciplinary cluster of sciences. These include meteorology (the studyof weather), atmospheric chemistry, astrophysics and cosmic rays, geology and other earth sciences, oceanography, carbon cycling through all living species, soil science, geology, climate history through the millennia, ice ages and greenhouse ages, study of the sun, knowledge of earth wobbles, magnetic fields and orbital variations, etc."

he never ONCE mentioned his OWN field - ecology?

he never claimed he was a climatologist....... he is just telling what they are.

[Henry Hawk]

whoops! 
NOW, a moving on...

[Bo D]

he never claimed he was a climatologist....... he is just telling what they are.

Yet you believe what he is saying about the climate?

I suppose you believe the advice your dentist gives you about your investment portfolio.

[Exterminator]

I suppose you believe the advice your dentist gives you about your investment portfolio.

I can understand the confusion; they would, in fact, need to consult a proctologist if they were found to have a brain tumor.   

This op-ed piece covers the situation well.

[Bo D]

I can understand the confusion; they would, in fact, need to consult a proctologist if they were found to have a brain tumor. 

[Henry Hawk]

Yet you believe what he is saying about the climate?

I suppose you believe the advice your dentist gives you about your investment portfolio.

Why woudl I do that?

If my Doctor told me that I needed gall bladder removed, I would believe him.  I wouldn't have to have a gastrologist tell me to believe that my doctor was right. 

Same thing here.  There are plenty of scientist, that understand our climate, without being "certified" in climatology to have an informed opinion on that issue.