Global Warming

[me]

You keep doing that and your eyes will get stuck.

Mom kept telling me that when I was a kid and they haven't yet.... 

[Henry Hawk]

Greenpeace co-founder: No scientific proof humans are dominant cause of warming climate


A co-founder of Greenpeace told lawmakers there is no evidence man is contributing to climate change, and said he left the group when it became more interested in politics than the environment.
Patrick Moore, a Canadian ecologist and business consultant who was a member of Greenpeace from 1971-86, told members of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee environmental groups like the one he helped establish use faulty computer models and scare tactics in promoting claims man-made gases are heating up the planet.
"There is no scientific proof that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are the dominant cause of the minor warming of the Earth's atmosphere over the past 100 years," he said.
Even if the planet is warming up, Moore claimed it would not be calamitous for men, which he described as a "subtropical species."
Skeptics of manmade climate change say there is no evidence the Earth is warming. A UN report on the scientific data behind global warming released in September indicated that global surface temperatures have not increased for the past 15 years, but scientists who believe climate change due to man is occurring say it has merely paused because of several factors and will soon resume.
The 2,200-page new Technical Report attributes that to a combination of several factors, including natural variability, reduced heating from the sun and the ocean acting like a "heat sink" to suck up extra warmth in the atmosphere.
Moore said he left Greenpeace in the 1980s because he believed it became more interested in politics than science.
"After 15 years in the top committee I had to leave as Greenpeace took a sharp turn to the political left, and began to adopt policies that I could not accept from my scientific perspective," he said. "Climate change was not an issue when I abandoned Greenpeace, but it certainly is now."

[Bo D]

Greenpeace co-founder: No scientific proof humans are dominant cause of warming climate


A co-founder of Greenpeace told lawmakers there is no evidence man is contributing to climate change, and said he left the group when it became more interested in politics than the environment.
Patrick Moore, a Canadian ecologist and business consultant who was a member of Greenpeace from 1971-86, told members of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee environmental groups like the one he helped establish use faulty computer models and scare tactics in promoting claims man-made gases are heating up the planet.
"There is no scientific proof that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are the dominant cause of the minor warming of the Earth's atmosphere over the past 100 years," he said.
Even if the planet is warming up, Moore claimed it would not be calamitous for men, which he described as a "subtropical species."
Skeptics of manmade climate change say there is no evidence the Earth is warming. A UN report on the scientific data behind global warming released in September indicated that global surface temperatures have not increased for the past 15 years, but scientists who believe climate change due to man is occurring say it has merely paused because of several factors and will soon resume.
The 2,200-page new Technical Report attributes that to a combination of several factors, including natural variability, reduced heating from the sun and the ocean acting like a "heat sink" to suck up extra warmth in the atmosphere.
Moore said he left Greenpeace in the 1980s because he believed it became more interested in politics than science.
"After 15 years in the top committee I had to leave as Greenpeace took a sharp turn to the political left, and began to adopt policies that I could not accept from my scientific perspective," he said. "Climate change was not an issue when I abandoned Greenpeace, but it certainly is now."

What planet is this guy from?

"Even if the planet is warming up, Moore claimed it would not be calamitous for men, which he described as a "subtropical species.""

Even the most idiotic wingnuts know better. What about the severe weather that climate change brings? Didn't they just have one of the most severe droughts in California history? Remember that next time you go to buy lettuce.

And what about rising ocean levels? Own any waterfront property?

And describing mankind as a  "subtropical species." Tell that to the Eskimos, Norwegians, Swedes, etc., etc.

This guy is just plain nuts and so is anyone who listens to him.

[Henry Hawk]

Hey, don't shoot the messager, it was a GREENPEACE co-founder who is saying this...what I found interesting is, is his claim that he feels that greenpeace had become more interested in politics than science.....which is what most "skeptics" tend to agree with.

[Bo D]

Hey, don't shoot the messager, it was a GREENPEACE co-founder who is saying this...what I found interesting is, is his claim that he feels that greenpeace had become more interested in politics than science.....which is what most "skeptics" tend to agree with.

If you read up on the subject, you will learn that what REALLY happened is that this guy started using his position at Greenpeace to push his own agenda and fill up his wallet. Politics had nothing to do with it.

[Henry Hawk]

If you read up on the subject, you will learn that what REALLY happened is that this guy started using his position at Greenpeace to push his own agenda and fill up his wallet. Politics had nothing to do with it.

Actually, I found nothing against Patrick Moore, but did find all sorts of corrupt findings and public misleadings by Greenpeace.......just google it.

I also think that POLITICS has a lot to do with greenpeace....they have played the game.

[Bo D]

Actually, I found nothing against Patrick Moore, but did find all sorts of corrupt findings and public misleadings by Greenpeace.......just google it.

I also think that POLITICS has a lot to do with greenpeace....they have played the game.

I doubt you will read these but ....

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Patrick_Moore

Moore began working for the Nuclear Energy Institute front group, the Clean and Safe Energy Coalition, in 2006.

He has worked for the mining industry, the logging industry, PVC manufacturers, the nuclear industry and in defence of biotechnology. In October 2008, Greenpeace issued a statement distancing itself from Moore, saying he "exploits long gone ties with Greenpeace to sell himself as a speaker and pro-corporate spokesperson, usually taking positions that Greenpeace opposes."


http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/media-center/news-releases/greenpeace-statement-on-patric/

Patrick Moore promotes such anti-environmental positions as clearcut logging, nuclear power, farmed salmon, PVC (vinyl) production, genetically engineered crops, and mining.  Clients for his consulting services are a veritable Who's Who of companies that Greenpeace has exposed for environmental misdeeds, including Monsanto, Weyerhaeuser, and BHP Minerals. 

[Henry Hawk]

Why would you doubt that I would read these?   
I read them.

I think that is also more BS.  I am not defending Moore or slamming Greenpeace, but to think that there is no political motivation behind the GW industry is asinine.  I am not accussing YOU of anything either.  Greenpeace is as politically motivated as anybody else.

[Exterminator]

You can't fix stupid.   

[Bo D]

Why would you doubt that I would read these?   
I read them.

I think that is also more BS.  I am not defending Moore or slamming Greenpeace, but to think that there is no political motivation behind the GW industry is asinine.  I am not accussing YOU of anything either.  Greenpeace is as politically motivated as anybody else.

This is not BS. It is a verifiable fact ...

"Patrick Moore promotes such anti-environmental positions as clearcut logging, nuclear power, farmed salmon, PVC (vinyl) production, genetically engineered crops, and mining.  Clients for his consulting services are a veritable Who's Who of companies that Greenpeace has exposed for environmental misdeeds, including Monsanto, Weyerhaeuser, and BHP Minerals."

[Henry Hawk]

This is not BS. It is a verifiable fact ...

"Patrick Moore promotes such anti-environmental positions as clearcut logging, nuclear power, farmed salmon, PVC (vinyl) production, genetically engineered crops, and mining.  Clients for his consulting services are a veritable Who's Who of companies that Greenpeace has exposed for environmental misdeeds, including Monsanto, Weyerhaeuser, and BHP Minerals."

and it is a fact that Greenpeace co-founder Bob Hunter once wrote that, "Moore was quickly accepted into the inner circle on the basis of his scientific background, his reputation as an environmental activist, and his ability to inject practical, no-nonsense insights into the discussions."

He is one of the original Greenpeace members...even served as president in Canada's chapter.  Perhaps, this is Greenpeaces way of trying to ruin him after his departure.  It is not out of comprehension or unreasonable to say that this could have happened.  Greenpeace is out playing hardball and has its own political agenda.

[Exterminator]

All of which has absolutely nothing to do with global warming.  He is not a climatologist.

[me]

All of which has absolutely nothing to do with global warming.  He is not a climatologist.

Does his PHD in ecology count for nothing? 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Moore_%28environmentalist%29

[Bo D]

Does his PHD in ecology count for nothing? 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Moore_%28environmentalist%29

Do you go to a tire mechanic to get a tune-up on your car? Do you go to an OB/GYN for a sprained ankle?

[me]

Do you go to a tire mechanic to get a tune-up on your car? Do you go to an OB/GYN for a sprained ankle?

Ya know, seems strange greenpeace thought he was perfectly qualified when he was on their side and now that he's changed his mind and is of a different opinion they're trashing him. 

Greenpeace

According to Greenpeace: How a Group of Ecologists, Journalists, and Visionaries Changed the World by Rex Wyler, the Don't Make a Wave Committee was formed in January 1970 by Dorothy and Irving Stowe, Ben Metcalfe, Marie and Jim Bohlen, Paul Cote, and Bob Hunter and incorporated in October 1970.[6] The Committee had formed to plan opposition to the testing of a one megaton hydrogen bomb in 1969 by the United States Atomic Energy Commission on Amchitka Island in the Aleutians. Moore joined the committee in 1971 and, as Greenpeace co-founder Bob Hunter wrote, "Moore was quickly accepted into the inner circle on the basis of his scientific background, his reputation [as an environmental activist], and his ability to inject practical, no-nonsense insights into the discussions."