Global Warming

[me]

Anecdotal bullshit from someone who doesn't think they can grow grapes in England.   

Anecdotal?????  That's real experience which is different.  Is that the best you can counter with?  Works to avoid giving a real kind of answer when you can't come up with anything though.  Your trainers would be proud.   

[Palehorse]

Anecdotal?????  . . .

Yes. Anecdotal!

You ever step into an industrial facility in your lifetime? Ever?

You'd know they are practically wall to wall fluorescent lighting if you had. EVERY single manufacturing facility I have ever been in within my entire lifetime, was lighted by fluorescents for the most part. And they stayed on 24/7/365 in a lot of them.

Same with retail facilities as well. Look up once in awhile why don't you?

[me]

It is you who aren't getting it here.  If impossible rules and restrictions are placed on businesses here they will move to China where it will be cheaper to do business and they won't have any pollution control at all.  We already have some pollution control in effect which some of needs enforced more than is now.  If a factory is polluting at 15% to 20% now and the government wants it to decrease to 0% but at a steep cost and the factory closes as a result and moves to China and pollutes at 75% to 100% because they can what has been accomplished other than actually increasing pollution and loss of jobs here? 

Sure fluorescent bulbs have been around forever but not used to the extent they are now so that is actually increasing pollution because, as you stated, no one does what they are supposed to when disposing of them.  The savings in elec plus the added cost of the bulb is not near worth the cost of the added mercury pollution the bulbs will cause by being disposed of improperly.   And there again we had a loss of jobs here due to those bulbs.  Yes, I realize it started during the Bush administration and I didn't like it then either so save yourself the time of going there.

There are more in use now than in the past because of them being used in the home.  Quit trying to make out like I don't know they've always been used in businesses and factories.  I also stated they are meant to be on constantly and not turned off and on like in a home which shortens the life of them.  They don't make a dimes worth of difference in your consumption for the cost or added pollution they are going to cause.  Not everyone can afford LED lighting which, last I checked, was more expensive than the fluorescent. Not only that but if you can't afford the ones with more lumens you have to use extra bulbs to get enough light to be able to see anything.
Lets see how you can twist some more. 

[Exterminator]

I also stated they are meant to be on constantly and not turned off and on like in a home which shortens the life of them.

Please provide your source for this misinformation.

They don't make a dimes worth of difference in your consumption for the cost or added pollution they are going to cause.

This is an outright lie.

[me]

Please provide your source for this misinformation.

This is an outright lie.

No, I won't because no matter what I provide you will dismiss it.  Been there, done that, over it.

[Bo D]

LED lighting which, last I checked, was more expensive than the fluorescent.

Check again! This is absolute, utter bullshit!

Over the lifespan of the bulbs, LEDs are  the most cost effective.

http://eartheasy.com/live_led_bulbs_comparison.html#a

[Exterminator]

Check again! This is absolute, utter bullshit!

Over the lifespan of the bulbs, LEDs are  the most cost effective.

Conservatives are incapable of considering anything over the long term.

[Exterminator]

No, I won't because no matter what I provide you will dismiss it.  Been there, done that, over it.

So what you're saying is you made it up.  Thought so.

[Henry Hawk]

Check again! This is absolute, utter bullshit!

Over the lifespan of the bulbs, LEDs are  the most cost effective.

http://eartheasy.com/live_led_bulbs_comparison.html#a

Hey, I am 100% all about LED's.  It is now part of my job to promote and install this system... http://www.redwoodsystems.com/
It is really awesome and where our future is heading.

[me]

Check again! This is absolute, utter bullshit!

Over the lifespan of the bulbs, LEDs are  the most cost effective.

http://eartheasy.com/live_led_bulbs_comparison.html#a

I'm not disputing the LED here it's the CFL I'm disputing.  Just in case you didn't go all the way through the charts it states that the life of the CFL is shortened by being turned on and off which I stated in one of my posts.  There are a lot of people who can't afford $35 for one bulb no matter how long they last, so they won't purchase them but will instead purchase the CFL's, which are also temperature sensitive, (the others aren't), and possibly creating dangerous situations from the bulb spewing the chemicals into the air if they burn at the base.  Sure, the ballast goes out in a fluorescent fixture but they are inside the CFL bulb and more dangerous when the blow. 

Estimates of bulb lifespan are projected, since it would take about 6 years of continuous lighting to test. Some manufacturers claim the new LED bulbs will last up to 25 years under normal household use, but this is not proven.

As far as cost goes the only LED that has enough lumens to light anything up costs $53.95.  Now, get back to the original discussion of the CFL's and forget trying to inject the LED's into it.  The only objection I have to them is the cost which is prohibitive for most people. 
   

[Bo D]

I  Now, get back to the original discussion of the CFL's and forget trying to inject the LED's into it.  The only objection I have to them is the cost which is prohibitive for most people.

Are you that bat crazy? YOU are the one that brought up LEDs!

Not everyone can afford LED lighting which, last I checked, was more expensive than the fluorescent.

MOST people would rather buy one bulb once every 25 years rather than 42 and save a bunch on electricity to boot.

"there are a lot of <IGNORANT> people who can't afford $35 for one bulb no matter how long they last, so they won't purchase them but will instead purchase the CFL's"

[me]

Are you that bat crazy? YOU are the one that brought up LEDs!


MOST people would rather buy one bulb once every 25 years rather than 42 and save a bunch on electricity to boot.

"there are a lot of <IGNORANT> people who can't afford $35 for one bulb no matter how long they last, so they won't purchase them but will instead purchase the CFL's"

No, not ignorant people Bo, people who can't afford them.  There is a difference ya know.  You seem to forget most houses require more than one light bulb.  I believe either Ex or Locutus brought up the LED's as an alternative and I stated then about the cost.  I'll go back and look but it was only in passing and had nothing to do with the safety, pollution, or elec savings being objected to by me at any rate.

[me]

No, you are talking in the past...decades in the past.  Wages in China have been increasing by 15-20% per year which is creating manufacturing opportunities here right now.  As I said before, look it up...clearly you didn't take time to do so before flapping your gums.

WRONG!  The amount of mercury released into the atmosphere as a result of burning fossil fuels to create the amount of additional electricity to power an incadescent bulb over a flourescent bulb is greater than the amount of mercury in the flourescent bulb itself.  If environmental mercury is your concern, you would support the use of flourescents.  (LED's are even better!)

I'm not sure how jobs are lost...doesn't someone also have to make the flourescent bulbs?

Here's where the LED's came in Bo.

There are more in use now than in the past because of them being used in the home.  Quit trying to make out like I don't know they've always been used in businesses and factories.  I also stated they are meant to be on constantly and not turned off and on like in a home which shortens the life of them.  They don't make a dimes worth of difference in your consumption for the cost or added pollution they are going to cause.  Not everyone can afford LED lighting which, last I checked, was more expensive than the fluorescent. Not only that but if you can't afford the ones with more lumens you have to use extra bulbs to get enough light to be able to see anything.
Lets see how you can twist some more. 

[Bo D]

Here's where the LED's came in Bo.

SO?!  You were the one that lied about how expensive they are without considering total cost of operation.

[me]

SO?!  You were the one that lied about how expensive they are without considering total cost of operation.

I lied about it??????  Are you telling me that everyone you know can just go out and spend $35 or more for one light bulb?  Where do you get I lied?  Sometimes the initial investment is cost prohibitive.  Not everyone is Mr. Gotrocks like you ya know.  I guess you think you're too good to associate with people who may be on disability, SSI, lower amounts of SS, or welfare though and don't even consider them.