Global Warming

[me]

People who live in glass houses should not throw rocks.

What????  Is that all you can come up with to counter what I said? 

[Palehorse]

What????  Is that all you can come up with to counter what I said?

That is all it is deserving of; and barely that.

[me]

That is all it is deserving of; and barely that.

But it makes no sense.  It's kind of like you picked it out of thin air just to have something to reply with.

[Palehorse]

But it makes no sense.  It's kind of like you picked it out of thin air just to have something to reply with.

Your lack of comprehension skills is not my problem. If you require tutoring then you must earn it.

[me]

Your lack of comprehension skills is not my problem. If you require tutoring then you must earn it.

I comprehend just fine I just fail to see where you are coming up with your answer since you have no clue, apparently, how I live my life and seem to be accusing me of not being a good steward of the earth.  How do you possibly connect that comment with the conversation otherwise?

[Y]

http://www2.epa.gov/cfl/cleaning-broken-cfl 

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/indoorenv/

You do know that is nothing new, only the new persistent awareness of the hazards of Mercury and the proper disposal methods.

Fluorescent lighting has been around a LONG time.

That's why you're being ridiculous about this particular issue.

[Y]

It is pure speculation as far as how man is contributing to it...

I'll point this out just as I pointed it out to Hank previously - though I thoroughly expect you to take it to heart as little as he did.

Really?

Who or what has caused the deforestation of this country and the world?

Who or what has paved large areas causing them to be hotspots

Who or what has burned large amounts of fossil fuels thereby adding huge amounts of extra carbon to the atmosphere.

Insects?

Other primates?

Just who or what, Hank.

Think on that and you'll see just how ridiculous your statement is.

[me]

I'll point this out just as I pointed it out to Hank previously - though I thoroughly expect you to take it to heart as little as he did.

Just as I pointed out to you things that could be done without going to a huge expense and doing things that would be negated by China and other countries polluting even more. 

[Y]

Just as I pointed out to you things that could be done without going to a huge expense and doing things that would be negated by China and other countries polluting even more.

1. Yeah, right.  Do you think people in general actually do anything but just toss those light bulbs in the trash?

2. You do know how specious and juvenile your repeated 'China' argument is, don't you?  It boils down to the old kid's argument that "so and so is doing it so I may as well".

[me]

1. Yeah, right.  Do you think people in general actually do anything but just toss those light bulbs in the trash?

2. You do know how specious and juvenile your repeated 'China' argument is, don't you?  It boils down to the old kid's argument that "so and so is doing it so I may as well".

It is you who aren't getting it here.  If impossible rules and restrictions are placed on businesses here they will move to China where it will be cheaper to do business and they won't have any pollution control at all.  We already have some pollution control in effect which some of needs enforced more than is now.  If a factory is polluting at 15% to 20% now and the government wants it to decrease to 0% but at a steep cost and the factory closes as a result and moves to China and pollutes at 75% to 100% because they can what has been accomplished other than actually increasing pollution and loss of jobs here? 

Sure fluorescent bulbs have been around forever but not used to the extent they are now so that is actually increasing pollution because, as you stated, no one does what they are supposed to when disposing of them.  The savings in elec plus the added cost of the bulb is not near worth the cost of the added mercury pollution the bulbs will cause by being disposed of improperly.   And there again we had a loss of jobs here due to those bulbs.  Yes, I realize it started during the Bush administration and I didn't like it then either so save yourself the time of going there.

[Exterminator]

It is you who aren't getting it here.  If impossible rules and restrictions are placed on businesses here they will move to China where it will be cheaper to do business and they won't have any pollution control at all.

Actually, it's you who doesn't get it.  The primary force that moved manufacturing to China was thelow cost of labor.  As wages increase there, manufacturing is now returning to the U.S.  Look it up.

Sure fluorescent bulbs have been around forever but not used to the extent they are now so that is actually increasing pollution because, as you stated, no one does what they are supposed to when disposing of them.  The savings in elec plus the added cost of the bulb is not near worth the cost of the added mercury pollution the bulbs will cause by being disposed of improperly.   And there again we had a loss of jobs here due to those bulbs.  Yes, I realize it started during the Bush administration and I didn't like it then either so save yourself the time of going there.

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.  Flourescent bulbs have always been the standard in commercial buildings...millions of them in which the lights are routinely left on all day, every day.  Additionally, the mercury released into the atmosphere by burning fossil fuels for electricity to power incandescent bulbs is far greater than the amount of mercury found in flourescent bulbs so your argument is absolute bullshit.

Maybe you should go back to discussing growing grapes in England?

[me]

Actually, it's you who doesn't get it.  The primary force that moved manufacturing to China was thelow cost of labor.  As wages increase there, manufacturing is now returning to the U.S.  Look it up.

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.  Flourescent bulbs have always been the standard in commercial buildings...millions of them in which the lights are routinely left on all day, every day.  Additionally, the mercury released into the atmosphere by burning fossil fuels for electricity to power incandescent bulbs is far greater than the amount of mercury found in flourescent bulbs so your argument is absolute bullshit.

Maybe you should go back to discussing growing grapes in England?

You're talking in the past.  If business become over regulated they will move to China in the present and that's the concern. 

It is you who aren't getting it here.  If impossible rules and restrictions are placed on businesses here they will move to China where it will be cheaper to do business and they won't have any pollution control at all.  We already have some pollution control in effect which some of needs enforced more than is now.  If a factory is polluting at 15% to 20% now and the government wants it to decrease to 0% but at a steep cost and the factory closes as a result and moves to China and pollutes at 75% to 100% because they can what has been accomplished other than actually increasing pollution and loss of jobs here? 

Sure fluorescent bulbs have been around forever but not used to the extent they are now so that is actually increasing pollution because, as you stated, no one does what they are supposed to when disposing of them.  The savings in elec plus the added cost of the bulb is not near worth the cost of the added mercury pollution the bulbs will cause by being disposed of improperly.   And there again we had a loss of jobs here due to those bulbs.  Yes, I realize it started during the Bush administration and I didn't like it then either so save yourself the time of going there.

[Exterminator]

You're talking in the past.  If business become over regulated they will move to China in the present and that's the concern.

No, you are talking in the past...decades in the past.  Wages in China have been increasing by 15-20% per year which is creating manufacturing opportunities here right now.  As I said before, look it up...clearly you didn't take time to do so before flapping your gums.

Sure fluorescent bulbs have been around forever but not used to the extent they are now so that is actually increasing pollution...

WRONG!  The amount of mercury released into the atmosphere as a result of burning fossil fuels to create the amount of additional electricity to power an incadescent bulb over a flourescent bulb is greater than the amount of mercury in the flourescent bulb itself.  If environmental mercury is your concern, you would support the use of flourescents.  (LED's are even better!)

I'm not sure how jobs are lost...doesn't someone also have to make the flourescent bulbs?

[me]

No, you are talking in the past...decades in the past.  Wages in China have been increasing by 15-20% per year which is creating manufacturing opportunities here right now.  As I said before, look it up...clearly you didn't take time to do so before flapping your gums.
The cost of the regulations is going to far outweigh the cost of wages.  Think future not past.  Their wages are still far below ours.

WRONG!  The amount of mercury released into the atmosphere as a result of burning fossil fuels to create the amount of additional electricity to power an incadescent bulb over a flourescent bulb is greater than the amount of mercury in the flourescent bulb itself.  If environmental mercury is your concern, you would support the use of flourescents.  (LED's are even better!)

I'm not sure how jobs are lost...doesn't someone also have to make the flourescent bulbs?
They are not being made here is how jobs are lost. 
The fluorescent bulbs are meant to burn constantly not be turned on and off several times a day so therefore they burn out quicker for home use, almost as quickly as an incandescent bulb, which in the long haul makes them more expensive for the average consumer and doesn't save that much elec wise.  We buy the more expensive ones they last, tops, 2 months and we don't use our lights that often.  We usually have one lamp on at night, 60watt, and our light bill has stayed the same, not even a penny less.  We are in a smaller house now and the wiring is all new and grounded which should have made a big difference, it didn't.  We used lights sparingly at the other house too and seldom have the TV on, maybe 2 to 3hrs a night if that much.  Oh, I'm talking usage here not amount of bill since that can vary depending on different charges in a given month. 
I'm surprised you're not dizzy from all the spinning you do.  Of course it's all laid out for you and you just repeat it. 

[Exterminator]

Anecdotal bullshit from someone who doesn't think they can grow grapes in England.