Global Warming

[Palehorse]

Do you expect that the weather should be the same each year and not vary?  There always has been and always will be variations in the weather, some more drastic than others, and there is very little we can do about the earth aging and changing.  We need to keep things cleaner, recycle and quit being a throw away society, keep the forests properly cut so wildfires can be fought easier, (tree huggers kiss off), and other things of that nature which would be good for the environment and not cause unintended (bad) consequences like I mentioned a few posts back.  Everyone talks about using less fuel for cars and such but have you stopped to think about how many petroleum based products we use now days?  Look around your own home and even at your car body.  Rather than fix something like people used to it's just tossed out and they go get a new one.  Things aren't even made to last now like they used to be and that's a shame.  How much of it can even be recycled?  How long does it take plastic to decompose in a landfill?  And how brilliant was it to replace harmless light bulbs with something that is supposed to be much better, they aren't, that you have to wear gloves and a mask to clean them up and dispose of them in an environmentally safe way, they can't be thrown in the trash, because of what they contain.   To get safe ones you have to pay through the nose and they don't last a bit longer than a regular good brand, less expensive, safe bulb.  Not to mention you need more of them to get the same amount of light as a regular bulb.  How many people are actually going to take the time to transport a broken bulb to a safe disposal place?  Do you? Unintended consequence, you save 3cents pr year in elec and harm the environment worse than if the old standard bulb were still used.  Think further into some of this crap for Pete's sake.

Now who is off in the deep weeds? 

You are attempting to use urban legends, conjecture, and blatant speculation to explain away scientific fact. Typical. . .

[me]

Now who is off in the deep weeds? 

You are attempting to use urban legends, conjecture, and blatant speculation to explain away scientific fact. Typical. . .

Urban legends?  Where do you come up with that?  Is is a legend that the earth is aging?  Is a legend that closing up a building too tight traps harmful contaminates?  Is a legend that the new light bulbs have to be disposed of in a special manner?  Where is there anything even remotely tied to an urban legend in what I said? 

[Palehorse]

Urban legends?  Where do you come up with that?  Is is a legend that the earth is aging?  Is a legend that closing up a building too tight traps harmful contaminates?  Is a legend that the new light bulbs have to be disposed of in a special manner?  Where is there anything even remotely tied to an urban legend in what I said?

Prove that what you claim isn't!

[me]

Prove that what you claim isn't!

Good grief haven't you read the instructions on how to clean up those new bulbs or read where office workers and school kids developed rashes and illnesses in those windowless tightly closed up buildings, or studied in all your years of schooling how the earth has changed over time?  I'll say one thing you certainly use all the talking points to try to swing it around but your talking points are getting old and tired and prove nothing.  Global warming is nothing but a theory period.

[Palehorse]

Good grief haven't you read the instructions on how to clean up those new bulbs or read where office workers and school kids developed rashes and illnesses in those windowless tightly closed up buildings, or studied in all your years of schooling how the earth has changed over time?  I'll say one thing you certainly use all the talking points to try to swing it around but your talking points are getting old and tired and prove nothing.  Global warming is nothing but a theory period.

Get out of the deep weeds! Prove what you are saying. Anecdotes, speculation, and urban legends do not count.

[me]

Get out of the deep weeds! Prove what you are saying. Anecdotes, speculation, and urban legends do not count.

What I said has already happened and is either in history books or the news, (center for disease control). Go pick up a new light bulb package and read the disposal instructions and precautions if one should break.  That is proof not anecdotal, speculation, or urban legend.  Global warming is pure speculation period.

[Locutus]

Such ignorance is astounding.

[Palehorse]

Such ignorance is astounding.

It would be hilarious if it didn't end with such a dire result. . .

[me]

Such ignorance is astounding.

http://www2.epa.gov/cfl/cleaning-broken-cfl 

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/indoorenv/

[Locutus]

http://www2.epa.gov/cfl/cleaning-broken-cfl 

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/indoorenv/

I wasn't talking about that.  I was talking about this:

Global warming is pure speculation period.

[Locutus]

It would be hilarious if it didn't end with such a dire result. . .

Indeed!

[me]

I wasn't talking about that.  I was talking about this:

It is pure speculation as far as how man is contributing to it and what needs done to counter it, or slow it down because a certain amount is occurring naturally.  I mentioned some things that would put a good dent in it without all the bad unintended consequences which I mentioned some of.  Plus all the pollution moves to China where there are no controls, the rich companies that do stay buy carbon credits and continue to do what they're doing and pollution could conceivably get even worse than it already is while meantime we, the average Joe, are using unsafe light bulbs, living in sick homes and working in sick businesses because the government has required them to be sealed for heat and cooling loss.  We will also be paying through the nose in higher costs for the privilege of being energy efficient.  We will also still be having major forest fires because the tree huggers won't allow the forests be harvested properly to make fire breaks which make them easier to fight. 

[Palehorse]

It is pure speculation as far as how man is contributing to it and what needs done to counter it, or slow it down because a certain amount is occurring naturally.  I mentioned some things that would put a good dent in it without all the bad unintended consequences which I mentioned some of. Plus all the pollution moves to China where there are no controls, the rich companies that do stay buy carbon credits and continue to do what they're doing and pollution could conceivably get even worse than it already is while meantime we, the average Joe, are using unsafe light bulbs, living in sick homes and working in sick businesses because the government has required them to be sealed for heat and cooling loss.  We will also be paying through the nose in higher costs for the privilege of being energy efficient.  We will also still be having major forest fires because the tree huggers won't allow the forests be harvested properly to make fire breaks which make them easier to fight.

The bolded portion of this false logic is exactly what I am talking about here!

http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=18815.0

And every time those of us concerned about this planet and environment point out how pollution is negatively impacting our planet and environment, we always see/hear the finger being pointed at China, and other Asian / European countries as being the big hitters.

Well, booh-yah. It's right here, in your own state, and the worst in the NATION! 

[me]

The bolded portion of this false logic is exactly what I am talking about here!

http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=18815.0

And that has what to do with what I said?  Yes, that needs to be addressed but it has nothing to do with this conversation.  There are controls over here which need to be enforced and obviously aren't, or at least weren't at the time.  Move that same factory to China where there are no controls and there would be even more pollution it would just be in a different place.  Problem solved?  I don't think so.

[Palehorse]

And that has what to do with what I said?  Yes, that needs to be addressed but it has nothing to do with this conversation.  There are controls over here which need to be enforced and obviously aren't, or at least weren't at the time.  Move that same factory to China where there are no controls and there would be even more pollution it would just be in a different place.  Problem solved?  I don't think so.

People who live in glass houses should not throw rocks.