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libby

#1110
November 05, 2012, 10:38:20 AM
Hmm ... :sneaky:  reading the Bible as history can be very interesting -- for instance, the part about Noah and his ark.   

:thinking2:

glub... glub...    :shrk:    :o
All of life is a process of testing and initiation, always preparing for a higher level of consciousness -- and illumination. -- John Horn

Henry Hawk

#1111
November 05, 2012, 10:55:15 AM
 I have said this before and I will, just for the heck of it, say it again...I am not 100% convinced that we are now seeing effects due man-made global warming.  Not all the scientist believes it is either.  I agree that there is an argument that can be made that it "appears" that we are doing a great deal of harm, but it is not concrete evidence that we are without a doubt seeing effects directly from man-caused GW...All I am saying it that this is a big earth and we must be cautious before we go hog wild with "cap and trade" laws and enforcing Carbon taxes and wreck hundreds of thousands of American jobs and deepen a staggering economy.  I am 100% behind the fact we MUST protect our environment, but through the free market and incentivizing entrepreneurs and research & development for the best solutions.  Also, we cannot force the free market with tax payers' dollars into developing technologies before they are able to be practical and economically feasible, such as Solyandra.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#1112
November 05, 2012, 12:58:48 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 05, 2012, 10:55:15 AM
I have said this before and I will, just for the heck of it, say it again...I am not 100% convinced that we are now seeing effects due man-made global warming.  Not all the scientist believes it is either

I have said this before and I'll say it again: I have not found a single climatologist who isn't connected to the oil and/or coal industry who doesn't agree that the climate change we are seeing is real and is a direct result of human activity; not one.

QuoteAll I am saying it that this is a big earth and we must be cautious before we go hog wild with "cap and trade" laws...

We have had cap and trade laws since the Bush Sr. administration put them into place 20 years ago.

QuoteI am 100% behind the fact we MUST protect our environment, but through the free market and incentivizing entrepreneurs and research & development for the best solutions.  Also, we cannot force the free market with tax payers' dollars into developing technologies before they are able to be practical and economically feasible, such as Solyandra.

You are talking out of both sides of your ass.  Solyndra is an example of providing incentives to entrepreneurs in a free market.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#1113
November 05, 2012, 01:28:34 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on November 05, 2012, 12:58:48 PM
I have said this before and I'll say it again: I have not found a single climatologist who isn't connected to the oil and/or coal industry who doesn't agree that the climate change we are seeing is real and is a direct result of human activity; not one.

How about Reid Bryson, known as the "father of scientific climatology.....did not believe that climate change is caused by human activity.....is quoted as saying

"All this argument is the temperature going up or not, it's absurd," Bryson continues. "Of course it's going up. It has gone up since the early 1800s, before the Industrial Revolution, because we're coming out of the Little Ice Age, not because we're putting more carbon dioxide into the air."
Okay, there is ONE!  ;)
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Henry Hawk

#1114
November 05, 2012, 01:33:04 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on November 05, 2012, 12:58:48 PM
We have had cap and trade laws since the Bush Sr. administration put them into place 20 years ago.

I didn't say we did not already have cap and trade laws.......I'm just saying we MUST be careful with them.....and the dems have a ton of them, the want enforced, that could have a direct affect on our economy.  By increasing the cost of heating and more burden placed upon industries.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Henry Hawk

#1115
November 05, 2012, 01:38:03 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on November 05, 2012, 12:58:48 PM
You are talking out of both sides of your ass.  Solyndra is an example of providing incentives to entrepreneurs in a free market.

Dumping $500 million of taxpayers money in a guaranteed loan, is NOT what I believe providing any incentives to the free market is all about.  That is Government getting in the way of free enterprise and DICKING it all up.  Which the did.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#1116
November 05, 2012, 01:41:02 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 05, 2012, 01:28:34 PM
Okay, there is ONE!  ;)

Nope, Reid Bryson, was a geologist and meteorologist.  Meteorology is the study of short term (days) weather whereas climatology is the study of long term (years, decades, etc.) changes in weather.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Palehorse

#1117
November 05, 2012, 01:41:37 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 05, 2012, 01:28:34 PM
How about Reid Bryson, known as the "father of scientific climatology.....did not believe that climate change is caused by human activity.....is quoted as saying

"All this argument is the temperature going up or not, it's absurd," Bryson continues. "Of course it's going up. It has gone up since the early 1800s, before the Industrial Revolution, because we're coming out of the Little Ice Age, not because we're putting more carbon dioxide into the air."
Okay, there is ONE!  ;)

The same guy who touted "global cooling"?

Yeah, right. .   :rolleyes:

Besides, he was  :reap: HARVESTED :reap: on 11June 2008, so he hasn't been around for 4 years. . .
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Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

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Henry Hawk

#1118
November 05, 2012, 01:45:04 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on November 05, 2012, 01:41:37 PM
The same guy who touted "global cooling"?

Yeah, right. .   :rolleyes:

Besides, he was  :reap: HARVESTED :reap: on 11June 2008, so he hasn't been around for 4 years. . .

It don't make any difference, Ex said he has "not found a single climatologist who isn't connected to the oil and/or coal industry who doesn't agree that the climate change we are seeing is real and is a direct result of human activity"

and I proved him wrong. 
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#1119
November 05, 2012, 01:45:17 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 05, 2012, 01:38:03 PM
Dumping $500 million of taxpayers money in a guaranteed loan, is NOT what I believe providing any incentives to the free market is all about.  That is Government getting in the way of free enterprise and DICKING it all up.  Which the did.

The company might very well have been successful had Bush not granted China permanent favored trade partner status that allowed them to undercut the price of superior products made here at home. Perhaps you're in favor of that trend; I am not.

If you want to bitch about money, perhaps you should focus on things like the completely unneccesary war on Iraq which cost us $800 billion and counting?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Exterminator

#1120
November 05, 2012, 01:48:08 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 05, 2012, 01:45:04 PM
It don't make any difference, Ex said he has "not found a single climatologist who isn't connected to the oil and/or coal industry who doesn't agree that the climate change we are seeing is real and is a direct result of human activity"

and I proved him wrong.

Which part of climatology and meteorolgy not being the same thing are you having trouble grasping?  Bryson was not a climatologist; he was a weather man.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#1121
November 05, 2012, 01:50:03 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on November 05, 2012, 01:48:08 PM
Which part of climatology and meteorolgy not being the same thing are you having trouble grasping?  Bryson was not a climatologist; he was a weather man.

He was NAMED the "father of scientific climatology" by his peers.....which part of that don't you understand.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#1122
November 05, 2012, 01:52:38 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 05, 2012, 01:50:03 PM
He was NAMED the "father of scientific climatology" by his peers.....which part of that don't you understand.

And I'm sure you can substantiate this as well as provide us the names of those, "peers"?  You have quite the audacity accusing anyone else of lacking critical thinking skills.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#1123
November 05, 2012, 01:53:18 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on November 05, 2012, 01:45:17 PM
If you want to bitch about money, perhaps you should focus on things like the completely unneccesary war on Iraq which cost us $800 billion and counting?

You mean the war that was voted on by congress both democrat and republican?

I never said I was enthused by going to war and spending that kind of money.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Henry Hawk

#1124
November 05, 2012, 01:54:10 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on November 05, 2012, 01:52:38 PM
And I'm sure you can substantiate this as well as provide us the names of those, "peers"?  You have quite the audacity accusing anyone else of lacking critical thinking skills.


not just anyone else, just those of you on here.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW
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