Global Warming

[me]

Here is a link to an article and a quote from the end of it since I doubt if you'll even bother to read it.

The guy I know that has it has the closed vertical loop. 


http://www.alternative-energy-tutorials.com/geothermal.html

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[Palehorse]

GT heating are high end (cost) units that typically have to be re-drilled within 5 to 7 years due to depletion of the heating/cooling source, and while it is a sustainable source, it is not free in that it uses electricity to operate the heat pumps and fans, and eventually depletes its naturally produced sources.

This puts it very much out of reach for the typical / average homeowner, although rolling the costs into a new construction project is feasible, the up front costs add considerably to said construction costs and likely would make the construction prohibitive. Conversion of an existing HVAC system to GT would require a lengthy and costly rehab as well.

Solar energy has been around for years, and the last time we had a surge in research in this type of energy it resulted in calculators that no longer require batteries to operate, etc. It has progressed since, but since this country is addicted to oil and the oil companies addicted to record profits, it will never be embraced until we deplete our oil reserves in this country.

[me]

GT heating are high end (cost) units that typically have to be re-drilled within 5 to 7 years due to depletion of the heating/cooling source, and while it is a sustainable source, it is not free in that it uses electricity to operate the heat pumps and fans, and eventually depletes its naturally produced sources.

This puts it very much out of reach for the typical / average homeowner, although rolling the costs into a new construction project is feasible, the up front costs add considerably to said construction costs and likely would make the construction prohibitive. Conversion of an existing HVAC system to GT would require a lengthy and costly rehab as well.

Solar energy has been around for years, and the last time we had a surge in research in this type of energy it resulted in calculators that no longer require batteries to operate, etc. It has progressed since, but since this country is addicted to oil and the oil companies addicted to record profits, it will never be embraced until we deplete our oil reserves in this country.

Hum, as I recall the solar panels went bad rather quickly in some cases, were non functional and useless without battery storage unless it was sunny, which it seldom is in the winter, and impractical in the long run.  If solar energy were so good why are there not more homes with it now.  It was a big craze in the 80's.

[The Troll]

GT heating are high end (cost) units that typically have to be re-drilled within 5 to 7 years due to depletion of the heating/cooling source, and while it is a sustainable source, it is not free in that it uses electricity to operate the heat pumps and fans, and eventually depletes its naturally produced sources.

This puts it very much out of reach for the typical / average homeowner, although rolling the costs into a new construction project is feasible, the up front costs add considerably to said construction costs and likely would make the construction prohibitive. Conversion of an existing HVAC system to GT would require a lengthy and costly rehab as well.

Solar energy has been around for years, and the last time we had a surge in research in this type of energy it resulted in calculators that no longer require batteries to operate, etc. It has progressed since, but since this country is addicted to oil and the oil companies addicted to record profits, it will never be embraced until we deplete our oil reserves in this country.

  You said what I was wanting "ME" to say.  It need electricity to operate and the electricity we have how uses pollution fuel to make it.

  I had a guy I bowled with who had just built a solar heated house.  One winter I asked how is the solar heated house was working.  He said, It works good in the spring and the fall, but right now we have had 39 days of no recorded sunshine.  He also went on and said, the angle of the roof to collect the largest amount of sunshine is at an angle that since I didn't have walkways built, I have to use long poles to remove the snow from the solar panels.

  Here in the Indiana area we live in, we have no cheap geothermal, wind or solar for winter heating.  I studied all types of heating to defeat the high cost of heating for my house.  I came up with Insulation, insulation, insulation and the highest rated gas furnace.

  Right now gas is the cheapest way to heat a house in the Anderson area.  But, if they start using natural gas in cars, trucks and the making of electricity, Katie bar the door.     The oil companies and T. Boone Pickens will have us by the balls again. 

[me]

  You said what I was wanting "ME" to say.  It need electricity to operate and the electricity we have how uses pollution fuel to make it.

  I had a guy I bowled with who had just built a solar heated house.  One winter I asked how is the solar heated house was working.  He said, It works good in the spring and the fall, but right now we have had 39 days of no recorded sunshine.  He also went on and said, the angle of the roof to collect the largest amount of sunshine is at an angle that since I didn't have walkways built, I have to use long poles to remove the snow from the solar panels.

  Here in the Indiana area we live in, we have no cheap geothermal, wind or solar for winter heating.  I studied all types of heating to defeat the high cost of heating for my house.  I came up with Insulation, insulation, insulation and the highest rated gas furnace.

  Right now gas is the cheapest way to heat a house in the Anderson area.  But, if they start using natural gas in cars, trucks and the making of electricity, Katie bar the door.     The oil companies and T. Boone Pickens will have us by the balls again. 

BINGO!!!!!!!!  Solar heat is not the answer so why pour all that money into it?  And the wind mills freeze up in the areas with snow and ice in the winter.....Wind power isn't the answer either it would seem.

[Palehorse]

BINGO!!!!!!!!  Solar heat is not the answer so why pour all that money into it?  And the wind mills freeze up in the areas with snow and ice in the winter.....Wind power isn't the answer either it would seem.

Seriously. . . I guess we should just scrap all research into anything to replace fossil fuel consumption and just burn our way into oblivion. . . literally.

And when your grandchildren and great-grandchildren suffocate in a dark, damp, polluted environment, fighting for every breath and fruitlessly seeking relief, how will you look back on this approach?

[The Troll]

BINGO!!!!!!!!  Solar heat is not the answer so why pour all that money into it?  And the wind mills freeze up in the areas with snow and ice in the winter.....Wind power isn't the answer either it would seem.

  There is a place for solar panels in all of the sunshine states.  A lot of place there is are for wind power.  Right now we have power stations that run on jet engines.  Ran on natural gas will make power off the torque of the engine and the heat of the jet engine can make steam that will make more electricity.  CO-Generation.  Twice the electrical power from one energy source.

[me]

Solar panels didn't work period, the tree huggers don't want the wind mills 'cause birds fly into them, and Geo-thermal isn't practical for all areas.  You said yourself that insulation worked great in decreasing your heat and a/c usage.  Well, there ya go...in the meantime we all insulate and do what we can to cut consumption.  None of this it has to be done by union workers and over seen by a government agency either.  Insulating and sealing up a house isn't rocket science.

[Henry Hawk]

Let free enterprise dictate what is best for the people of the United States....it has worked in the past and will work in the future IF government does not get in its way.  If Solar panels are great, there will be a market for them.  They must not be too damn good or these companies would NOT be going bankrupt (at the taxpayers expense).
There is plenty of research and development being done ALL the time to replace fossil fuel consumption ... and when the time is right, and the new widget is more effecient it will BOOM.  I have very much faith in the free market system....of have little faith in our government.

[Exterminator]

Not sure where you folks got the idea that solar panels don't work but you need to brush up on the subject.  There are also some other exciting innovations on the horizon.

[libby]

I have taken advantage of solar heating for many years.

About 2 years ago, when my life was in more of an upheaval than usual, we went through a winter of heavy snows. My house didn't seem as warm as I would've liked it, so I just added another layer of clothes if I got too chilly*. Then, during the following summer, I realized that my HVAC was not working properly because my house was too warm, no matter where I set the thermostat. I can handle "cold" much better than "hot" so I had the unit checked out, and to make a long story short, I ended up with a new HVAC.

* in addition to adding extra layers of clothing that cold snowy winter, I also did what I'd instinctively done since we moved to the Northern VA suburbs of D.C.:  I opened my venetian blinds to the sun.

I do just the opposite in the summer. It is amazing how much heat you can get from the sun in a well-insulated house in the winter, while keeping it out in the summer, by opening/closing blinds.

[Henry Hawk]

Not sure where you folks got the idea that solar panels don't work but you need to brush up on the subject.  There are also some other exciting innovations on the horizon.

I never said they don't work...they are getting closer, through the private investor world....bloom has been at it for more the 40 years....but government subsidies to fund it is NOT the business of our government....that is NOT thier job.

Solyndra is a great example of WHY they should not....we lost a 1/2 billion dollars on it.  If it is great, like this Bloom Energy, it will attract private investors.

That is all I am saying about it.

[Exterminator]

Bloom doesn't need investors; they have customers.

[Henry Hawk]

Bloom doesn't need investors; they have customers.

good for them....what is your point?

[Palehorse]

. . .
Solyndra is a great example of WHY they should not....we lost a 1/2 billion dollars on it.  If it is great, like this Bloom Energy, it will attract private investors.

That is all I am saying about it.

. . .and yet, We continue to pour BILLIONS in subsidies into oil companies each year while they rake in BILLIONS in record level profits. . . .All the while raping every single end user in the world.