Global Warming

[Henry Hawk]

BTW, HH, in case you haven't heard, the scientists in "climategate" were exonerated.  It's too bad that their minor indiscretion has done so much damage especially when exploited by corporate interests and pounded into the heads of the ignorant masses by the likes of Fox News Channel.   

http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2010/0707/Climate-scientists-exonerated-in-climategate-but-public-trust-damaged

exonerated by who?...they admitted to it....they have emails with conclusive evidence of it....who, exactly exonerated them?

[Locutus]

exonerated by who?...they admitted to it....they have emails with conclusive evidence of it....who, exactly exonerated them?

A six-month investigation into the leaked e-mails that formed the "climategate" scandal has largely exonerated key scientists, including Phil Jones, the former – and now reinstated – director of the University of East Anglia's (UEA) Climate Research Unit (CRU). The CRU's key findings have a major impact on the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which in turn influences climate policy on a global scale, including pending cap-and-trade carbon offset legislation in the US. Critics charged that the "climategate" e-mails proved that researchers were gaming the science to win public support for the idea that countries need to act to correct global warming.

In his report, British civil servant Sir Muir Russell found that the climategate e-mails don't undermine the basic science behind man-made global warming. Nevertheless, the impact of the leaked e-mails has been to push scientists toward the realization that talking about punching climate skeptics and being coy about releasing data hardly build public trust in their work.

Here's a link to the entire final report.

http://www.cce-review.org/pdf/FINAL%20REPORT.pdf

[The Troll]

You have yet to explain to me how "A" buying up credits from "B" because they don't use their allotment and being allowed to put out the same amount, or more because they bought extra, of gasses is going to solve a thing. It will still be the same amount except the rich guy has enough to buy the right to do it and we don't have enough to keep warm because we don't have enough to buy the extra credits to use over the amount allotted to us. And yes, we will be told how much energy we can use and if you don't think so you'd be wrong.

  Damn that an easy one, buying up credits.  That's the the answer.  When the emitter of CO2 finds out how much money they are paying out for credits.  Plus how much more profit they could make, if they did not pollute some much.  Their going to find a new way to save that money and keep that money for their own pockets.

  That's what corporations do.  Producing products at the cheapest price.  Right now there is no reason to quit making CO2.

  Easy wasn't it.   

[me]

Let me ask you this...... Plant life requires CO2 to live so what happens if too much is taken out of the air?  Will plant life start to die out?  Will our air become more polluted than it already is because plants will no longer have the CO2 they need to produce oxygen?  Since when did CO2 become a bad thing?

[Locutus]

Let me ask you this...... Plant life requires CO2 to live so what happens if too much is taken out of the air?  Will plant life start to die out?  Will our air become more polluted than it already is because plants will no longer have the CO2 they need to produce oxygen?  Since when did CO2 become a bad thing?

^^  Something that nonsensical entered for discussion on this topic clearly shows why Ex would post something like this. -----V

You'd make more headway arguing with a rock.

Sad that the clueless seem to think that they aren't. 

[me]

^^  Something that nonsensical entered for discussion on this topic clearly shows why Ex would post something like this. -----V

Sad that the clueless seem to think that they aren't.

Just why is that nonsensical?  Isn't that part of the emissions they're wanting to control?  When they had such a fit over fluorocarbons because it was depleting the ozone layer and it had done irreparable damage already they discovered that the ozone layer repaired itself and that sending rockets into space also put holes into the ozone layer which also repaired themselves.  The point is do they actually know what the effect is going to be if they start messing with things?  Oh ya, they plugged some hypothetical figures into the computer and came up with an answer but there are so many variables how do they know they reached the right conclusion?  What if the other set of scientists are right and it won't make enough difference to even matter?  I have not seen enough proof to convince me that it's real enough get all in a panic over to the extent they are.  I also didn't believe the crap about global cooling in the 70's and as it turned out those scientists weren't right either.  It's not that I'm that smart it's just that I'm hearing too many contradicting studies by other scientists which are just as credible.  Don't start on that "then post it" thing again either because it has been posted ya'll just refused to accept it or consider it.

[Sandy Eggo]

How would you see enough proof when it's obvious you haven't done the research to know anything about it?

[The Troll]

Let me ask you this...... Plant life requires CO2 to live so what happens if too much is taken out of the air?  Will plant life start to die out?  Will our air become more polluted than it already is because plants will no longer have the CO2 they need to produce oxygen?  Since when did CO2 become a bad thing?

  "ME", earth has always had to much carbon dioxide (CO2). Earth was almost Oxygen free.  Oxygen breathing animals could not have existed when earth cooled and could support life.  Because all of the oxygen was locked up in water and other material.  Then plants , algae and plankton came along and made oxygen, in other word the oxygen you and I breath today is plant make.  The universe didn't put it here.  Take rust for example, it's iron oxide.  When you mine iron ore, you mine rust.  Oxygen was locked with the iron.  Heat the rust and you split rust into to things, iron and oxygen.

  I don't think you will ever have to worry about running out of CO2.  Especially the way people are cutting down all of the trees and burning oil and coal.  Rotting vegetation and baking a loaf of bread produces CO2.  That's the problem we are producing more CO2 than the plants can use.  There is not enough plants on land and sea to breath in all of the CO2 and make oxygen and lock up the carbon.  Plain and simple.  Supply and demand.  We got more CO2 than the plants demand and we can't work then any harder with more hours in a day or sun shine.

  Let's put it into corporate language.  We have an Jap owned American company producing Crap.  Well the American bought the Crap for awhile and they got tired of all of that Crap, so they quit buying all of that Crap.  But the Jap owners thought that if they made more Crap they could sell more Crap to the American people if they dropped the price of the Crap.  Well they still didn't buy Crap and they made more Crap again and again and again more Crap.  Now the have a country covered with Crap and no where to put the Crap.  This is the same with CO2.

[me]

Then the tree huggers that won't let them cut fire breaks out in Cal and other places to keep the wild fires from spreading so rapidly need to be told to bug off and take a chill pill and the people who are stripping the rain forest need stopped.  There are more solutions than taxing the crap out of us and businesses who will just move to a place where they don't have the restrictions and will pollute just as much as ever or even more because there are no restrictions at all.  What can possibly be accomplished by that?  And that crap on only one or two companies being "qualified" to produce acceptable windows and only certain "qualified" people being able to weather strip or insulate a home that's BS. 

[The Troll]

Then the tree huggers that won't let them cut fire breaks out in Cal and other places to keep the wild fires from spreading so rapidly need to be told to bug off and take a chill pill and the people who are stripping the rain forest need stopped.  There are more solutions than taxing the crap out of us and businesses who will just move to a place where they don't have the restrictions and will pollute just as much as ever or even more because there are no restrictions at all.  What can possibly be accomplished by that?  And that crap on only one or two companies being "qualified" to produce acceptable windows and only certain "qualified" people being able to weather strip or insulate a home that's BS.

  No more science lectures to you from me.  You have got brain lock or the lack of brains to asorb the reality of what is the oxygen/carbon dioxide cycle is.

  You are lock into the no tax, no city tax, no county tax, no state tax, no American tax, no health care tax, no Social Security tax, no Medicade tax, no unions, no government, no, no, no, on.  Just like the Republicans in Washington.  I give up on you, you can't see the forest for the rotten tree you're standing behind.

[me]

  No more science lectures to you from me.  You have got brain lock or the lack of brains to asorb the reality of what is the oxygen/carbon dioxide cycle is.

  You are lock into the no tax, no city tax, no county tax, no state tax, no American tax, no health care tax, no Social Security tax, no Medicade tax, no unions, no government, no, no, no, on.  Just like the Republicans in Washington.  I give up on you, you can't see the forest for the rotten tree you're standing behind.

Don't need a science lecture from you...I watch the History channel and have the whole set of the Planet Earth series.  I was also watching the things that came out when "global cooling" was the big issue and Mother Nature is going to do what she is going to do no matter what we do with the exception of becoming less of a throw away society and using a little more brains where plant life is concerned as far as logging the forests sensibly to create fire breaks so fires won't spread as rapidly and, like they're doing now with building sites as far as needing to leave so much green areas.  If factories move to the countries which have no controls and produce the same amount, or more, in those countries we can conserve until the cows come home and it just ain't gonna matter 'cause the pollution will still be the same it will just be in another country and we will be paying out the ass and rationed with no jobs because we will have driven them away.  There is less pollution now than there was 20 or 30yrs ago so why burden the factories and population any further with crap and tax? 

[Palehorse]

Don't need a science lecture from you...I watch the History channel and have the whole set of the Planet Earth series.  I was also watching the things that came out when "global cooling" was the big issue and Mother Nature is going to do what she is going to do no matter what we do with the exception of becoming less of a throw away society and using a little more brains where plant life is concerned as far as logging the forests sensibly to create fire breaks so fires won't spread as rapidly and, like they're doing now with building sites as far as needing to leave so much green areas.  If factories move to the countries which have no controls and produce the same amount, or more, in those countries we can conserve until the cows come home and it just ain't gonna matter 'cause the pollution will still be the same it will just be in another country and we will be paying out the ass and rationed with no jobs because we will have driven them away.  There is less pollution now than there was 20 or 30yrs ago so why burden the factories and population any further with crap and tax?

That perspective is exactly why nothing is going to be done until we all fry! And then it will be too late. . .

[me]

That perspective is exactly why nothing is going to be done until we all fry! And then it will be too late. . .

Just exchange the work freeze for fry and you have the 70's all over again.   

[Palehorse]

Just exchange the work freeze for fry and you have the 70's all over again.   

Tell that to the Russians. . .

[Palehorse]

Carbon dioxide and other air pollution that is collecting in the atmosphere like a thickening blanket, trapping the sun's heat and causing the planet to warm up. Coal-burning power plants are the largest U.S. source of carbon dioxide pollution -- they produce 2.5 billion tons every year. Automobiles, the second largest source, create nearly 1.5 billion tons of CO2 annually.

Although local temperatures fluctuate naturally, over the past 50 years the average global temperature has increased at the fastest rate in recorded history. And experts think the trend is accelerating: the 10 hottest years on record have all occurred since 1990. ith the hottest year on record still under way this very year). Unless we curb global warming emissions, average U.S. temperatures could be 3 to 9 degrees higher by the end of the century.

Global warming is already causing damage in many parts of the United States. In 2002, Colorado, Arizona and Oregon endured their worst wildfire seasons ever. The same year, drought created severe dust storms in Montana, Colorado and Kansas, and floods caused hundreds of millions of dollars in damage in Texas, Montana and North Dakota. Since the early 1950s, snow accumulation has declined 60 percent and winter seasons have shortened in some areas of the Cascade Range in Oregon and Washington.

Of course, the impacts of global warming are not limited to the United States. In 2003, extreme heat waves caused more than 20,000 deaths in Europe and more than 1,500 deaths in India and this year Russia is enduring the hottest summer ever, which is causing wildfires to burn out of  control. And in what scientists regard as an alarming sign of events to come, the area of the Arctic's perennial polar ice cap is declining at the rate of 9 percent per decade.

Though Americans make up just 4 percent of the world's population, we produce 25 percent of the carbon dioxide pollution from fossil-fuel burning -- by far the largest share of any country. In fact, the United States emits more carbon dioxide than China, India and Japan, combined. Clearly America ought to take a leadership role in solving the problem. And as the world's top developer of new technologies, we are well positioned to do so -- we already have the know-how.

http://www.nrdc.org/globalWarming/f101.asp?gclid=CKeyyLWwraMCFdRU2god6w005w

Global warming is a complex phenomenon, and its full-scale impacts are hard to predict far in advance. But each year scientists learn more about how global warming is affecting the planet, and many agree that certain consequences are likely to occur if current trends continue. Among these:


Melting glaciers, early snowmelt and severe droughts will cause more dramatic water shortages in the American West.

Rising sea levels will lead to coastal flooding on the Eastern seaboard, in Florida, and in other areas, such as the Gulf of Mexico.

Warmer sea surface temperatures will fuel more intense hurricanes in the southeastern Atlantic and Gulf coasts.

Forests, farms and cities will face troublesome new pests and more mosquito-borne diseases.

Disruption of habitats such as coral reefs and alpine meadows could drive many plant and animal species to extinction.